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Nov 18, 2014

Grant & Lee Update - Starting a Sheepdog (new video)

Grant & Lee are almost 8 months old now which is about the age we will "try" a pup on sheep. In these sessions we expose them to sheep to see if they are interested in the sheep; this may take a few exposures to peak their interest or it may take more time for them to mature. We also assess their seriousness about the sheep; are they just diving in, chasing, playing or are their instincts starting to turn on and they are serious. We can tell their attitude by their tail carriage: up high and it's play time, low or tucked under their belly and they are serious. Barking is also a sign of play.

Renee and I have taken our pups to sheep a few times. Grant (Renee's pup) is not quite ready for training; he's keen but not mature enough (tail high and barking). Lee is ready.

Here is Lee's 3rd session on sheep. I am mostly trying to get him to feel balance and how to correctly move around the sheep (correct distance off the sheep). I don't want him circling mindlessly. I want him to sense where the balance point is and am switching him frequently so that we will frequently end up at or going past the balance point. The more times I can get him to the balance point the more likely he is to feel it and sense his instinct to want to go to balance. (The balance point is that location on the other side of the sheep from me that will turn the sheep directly to me.)

I'm also working on a down and the beginnings of a call-off. I'll use whatever tool helps him be correct without putting too much pressure on him. So far I've been pleased with his developing feel for the sheep and glimpses of thoughtful attitude.



Lee at 8months

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  • I can definitely relate to being put off by the paddle. Young Diva is very sensitive, she is intimidated by even a crook and will wander away from the stock and sniff when it comes out. Pretty much all I can use with her is a little 3-foot sorting stick. Luckily she doesn't generally come in to close or hot, so I don't normally have to put much pressure on her. We have recently started working with call ducks, though, where she really does want to pounce in and make herself some duck soup sometimes :o

    Buddy, OTOH, is sometimes completely oblivious to the paddle, flag, crook-with-a-shaker-bottle, thrown crook, etc. He's a very strong-willed little dog. I guess you have to be if you are 26 lbs and you were bred to move 400lb cattle.
  • Samantha,

    I learned in Lee's first session on sheep that he was put off by the paddle; it made him apprehensive about coming towards me and the sheep. In the 3rd session I found there were a few times I needed something more than me to apply enough pressure on Lee to get his attention and to push him back off the sheep so I picked up the paddle. Once off his sheep Lee again became a bit apprehensive about the paddle so I put it down.

    During these early stages of training I find I spend a lot of time finding the right corrections/training tools to get the desired reaction from the pups without it being too much for the pups. I want them near the sheep, feeling the sheep's reactions to their actions; but I don't want them too close or too wild because then they stop thinking.

    Mark
  • Thanks for sharing Le's training with us Mark! Really good stuff! ...


    You've got a really nice place BTW, (it could be the angle of the camera) but I thought you were taller. .... :B

    Pops
  • Very good! Certainly the makings of a good working dog.

    Funny, just as I was starting to wonder why you weren't using a rattle-paddle, you picked one up!
    It's nice that you can leave the long-line dragging and the dog can still work. That doesn't work on corgis ;)
  • Thanks for that video Mark. Very much enjoyed it, but I think Lee enjoyed himself more than I did.

    :B
  • No snow out here, Mark. We've been lucky so far - it's all been up north. I'll be in Lockport tomorrow to drop off my sheltie at the groomer. And this weekend is the big Christmas Crossroads craft fair at Lockport High School. The forecast this weekend is warmer, and possible rain. That's good - the snow can wait until December as far as I'm concerned!

    Rita
  • Rita,
    I have not had a chance to talk to my parents (Lockport), yet, to get a snow report. How much did you get or is it all lake effect closer to Benton Harbor?
    Mark
  • Wow! Very interesting, Mark. I saw only 1 sheepdog demonstration at a county fair, and was impressed with the dog's ability and performance. Lee looks great, but of course I'm no judge. I wish you and all the dogs much success at trials in the coming year. Thanks for posting.

    Rita