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Tom_M1
Aug 20, 2013Explorer
Bill.Satellite wrote:
Something is very wrong here. There is no such thing as a non-amplified Batwing with Wingman.
The rest of your information is confusing so if you could explain what you were doing and how the 2 (3?) antennas were pointed would help in understanding what you have posted. The Wingman is only effective on the UHF frequencies and the Jack has very little in the way of VHF reception elements. Where are you located? How far from the antennas (TVfool.com if you don't know)? Are there VHF broadcast networks in your area?
There are lots and lots of variables with UHF and VHF being the largest.
Bill,
The two batwing antennas that I have are the following:
RV-3095: Sensar III
RV-5095: Non-amplified Sensar III
I purchased the RV-5095 in 2005 from Amazon so perhaps it is no longer available. The Wingman was purchased later and will attach to either antenna.
As I stated in my post, I live in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. I obtained heading and distance from antennapoint.com. I am located due west of the transmitter site and 12.46 miles away.
The channels that are listed in my test results are RF channels not virtual. Both TVFool and Antennapoint list both the RF and virtual channels.
You state "There are lots and lots of variables with UHF and VHF being the largest.". I am well aware of this and that is why I stated that more tests are needed.
MNtundraRet wrote:
Tom:
From your distance of 12 to 13 miles, any antenna will work with the amplifiers turned off. The incoming signal is overloaded (for your test), and actually drives down the "strength meter" reading.
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Jeff's method is best. He could do readings using the Sensor Pro, but the test was for comparison of the antenna-heads.
Mark B.
Mark,
Perhaps you mistook the SensarPro gain setting as five db, it was set at 0.5 db (1/2 db). The SensarPro can be set to zero but that basically lets nothing through. The SensarPro also supplies power to the antenna head so I can not turn it off. I am aware of the effects of too much gain. My TV displays both signal strength and signal quality. Unfortunately it displays percent and not db. If I go too high with the gain the signal quality starts to degrade. I doubt that the SensarPro is overloading at 0.5 db.
I agree that Jeff's method is best and he did an exceptional job. If I had access to a spectrum analyzer I could do the same with my setup. But as Bill stated "There are lots and lots of variables with UHF and VHF being the largest".
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