Force router reset while away

mike-s wrote:

LittleBill wrote:
i have never seen power cords labeled directly to the outlet.

So, you were doing it wrong.

mike this will be my last post on the subject but if we ever told a customer that power cycling was required to keep our equipment operating correctly, they would tell us to remove it and send us home. I'm sorry you have to work with equipment that apparently needs enough power cycling that you had to go to the trouble to actually put in power cycling pdu's.

and when you work in a large DC, you will realize they use dedicated electricians to actually run the power. i am a contractor, i have worked with 100's of customers in 100's of DC's, i have never seen what you describe done in practice ever. yanking power on enterprise equipment to fix a issue is simply an unacceptable answer.

LittleBill wrote:
i have never seen power cords labeled directly to the outlet.

So, you were doing it wrong.

mike-s wrote:

LittleBill wrote:
I'm very curious what data center you worked at that power cycle via the pdu, considering most power banks on the pdu have multiple servers, also not sure why your not using ilo or drac ports. i work in data centers daily and have never seen this practice, way to easy to power cycle the wrong servers..

I didn't say anything about servers. And a PDU outlet group can be a single outlet.

Did you power cycle servers on a daily basis? You were doing it wrong.

what exactly are you power cycling that you knew the exact outlet it was plugged into? i have never seen power cords labeled directly to the outlet. this seem like either a tiny "data center" or more like a network closet

who said i power cycled anything daily?

LittleBill wrote:
I'm very curious what data center you worked at that power cycle via the pdu, considering most power banks on the pdu have multiple servers, also not sure why your not using ilo or drac ports. i work in data centers daily and have never seen this practice, way to easy to power cycle the wrong servers..

I didn't say anything about servers. And a PDU outlet group can be a single outlet.

Did you power cycle servers on a daily basis? You were doing it wrong.

mike-s wrote:
I've worked for years in data center environments - it's much more common to use PDUs to power cycle equipment because someone fat-fingered a configuration change than because the device just went dead on its own. That can happen, too, but it's a pretty rare occasion, certainly not daily or the device wouldn't be on the network. All non-trivial software has bugs. PDUs are also used to monitor power, and at times to shut off non-critical devices, such as during a power failure to conserve UPS capacity.

I'm very curious what data center you worked at that power cycle via the pdu, considering most power banks on the pdu have multiple servers, also not sure why your not using ilo or drac ports. i work in data centers daily and have never seen this practice, way to easy to power cycle the wrong servers..

WOW I never thought of that my camera DVR does an auto reset every Sunday plus I can reboot remotely.

The modem/router has never gone offline should it do so I have no way to reboot.

Guess I should look into a weekly POR worse case I loose a week of data if it did go offline.

SCVJeff wrote:
You are talking about mechanical devices, none of which are internal to the router, so who cares?

No, really, power cycles do shorten lifespan. I've dealt with lots of equipment which runs constant on for years (like PBXs). The biggest fear with an extended power outage (they usually have battery and generator backup, but that only goes so far), or major upgrade which requires removing power is whether they'll come back up, and how many pieces which had been running fine for years won't power up anew.

It's really not debatable, power cycles produce more stress (thermal cycles, etc.) than no power cycles. They will reduce the lifespan. It's just a matter of whether the lifespan is shortened to less than the useful life of the product, many of which get replaced before they die on their own.

SCVJeff wrote:
I say again, IP controlled strips are common in the IT world to reset "junk" switch equipment from cheap Chinese junk companies like HP, Cisco, Dell, etc. maybe we should have them remove the word "enterprise class" from their description?

I've worked for years in data center environments - it's much more common to use PDUs to power cycle equipment because someone fat-fingered a configuration change than because the device just went dead on its own. That can happen, too, but it's a pretty rare occasion, certainly not daily or the device wouldn't be on the network. All non-trivial software has bugs. PDUs are also used to monitor power, and at times to shut off non-critical devices, such as during a power failure to conserve UPS capacity.

Having said that, I use a PDU to power cycle stuff, but only on rare occasion, not daily. Cable interface on the router doesn't come back up? The server will recognize the Internet is down, and power cycle it. Server goes down? I can console into the router and power cycle the server. Normally both stay running for long periods, it's mostly during poor power events (multiple power up/down after the UPS has run out, for example) that something does go wrong.

SCVJeff wrote:
You are talking about mechanical devices, none of which are internal to the router, so who cares?

Mechanical, electro-mechanical .... The router has a power supply. The power supply .... Oh, never mind.

SCVJeff wrote:
My AC1900 is fully accessed through the iPhone from the WAN.

It's probably just me having a brain cramp but.......

If your iPhone is a hundred miles away, what exactly is it going to aceess and how ?

I thought that the term WAN usually refers to the "cloud", IE the Internet.

You are talking about mechanical devices, none of which are internal to the router, so who cares?

I say again, IP controlled strips are common in the IT world to reset "junk" switch equipment from cheap Chinese junk companies like HP, Cisco, Dell, etc. maybe we should have them remove the word "enterprise class" from their description?

And sometimes it's not the router. I've had more defective modems than routers and they seem to choke trying to get an IP assignment from the host modem/swx. Either way a reset needs to happen and he ain't home.

This is common practice and it works