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Feb 03, 2015

Legally copying DVDs to a laptop

So I was hoping to setup a media server for our RV, to allow the kids to stream ripped DVDs to their Android tablets (especially while driving) when I encountered this note:

Juan Carlos wrote:
Yup, it's illegal to rip a DVD you own if it's copy-protected, which of course they all are.


I researched this some more, and here's the scoop. Yes, ripping a DVD is illegal. But capturing the video output as a VCR or a DVR would is not. The law is such that cracking encryption is the illegal part, but copying the content for personal consumption is not. The catch-22 had been that in order to copy the content you had to crack the encryption. But not if you use video capture software, which is like having a DVR for your computer. They capture the video as it is being played on the screen, and the audio as it comes through your speakers.

(By the way, this is implied in the article Juan referenced. Go have a look.)

I found two pay-for programs that can do this, and if you read their FAQs it's clear they think this is perfectly legal:
https://applian.com/replay-video-capture/
http://wmrecorder.com/

CamStudio is a free program which possibly can do this if you disable hardware acceleration:
http://camstudio.org/faq.htm#Quicktime

It makes enormous files unless you use something like a DivX Codec to compress:
http://camstudio.org/forum/discussion/730/using-divx-codecs-with-camstudio/p1

See also this:
http://camstudio.org/faq.htm#Optimize

I think I'll encode my DVDs into a small format optimized for a tablet screen so that the media server computer is not taxed transcoding the video to a smaller screen. And this takes up less space on the hard drive.

This software can also capture Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, etc. However, these services likely have terms of service that restrict video capturing. I read that Hulu does, and probably the rest as well. You'll want to read the terms for yourself.

As for me, I'll only use this for DVDs and services which do not have any such restrictions, if there are any out there. Probably YouTube and the like.

Be sure use these powers for good and not evil ;-) No piracy, please.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. (IANAL)

P.S. Not sure what media server software I'll use but Plex and VideoLAN look interesting. Other options include plain old SMB/Windows file sharing, FTP, DLPA, or HTTP.

40 Replies

  • If you own the DVD and are making a copy (in the same format or not) for your own personal use, it's not a big issue. Similar to the old days of recording your records onto cassette to listen to in the car.

    It's when you start ripping/copying from a friend's DVD collection, rented DVD's, Netflix, Amazon, etc. (or ripping/copying your collection and giving the copies away to other people) that it is a problem.
  • Audials does a decent job (not free). Combine Handbrake (free) with lifetime AnyDVD (not free) for great personal copies. With Handbrake, use standard Ipad configuration with quality set to 18. This setting works great for Ipad and Android tablets.
  • AnyDVD works great for ripping. Not sure why its illegal for personal use. Years ago the courts ruled copying software for backups or private use was legal provided no copies were given to others nor sold. So why not for DVD's? Some movies are expensive so backups makes sense. Also much easier to store all my movies on an external drive plugged into TV. Kids love not having to go thru the stack of DVD's to find what they want to watch.
  • To me it's something like the old "don't take the tags off the mattress" bit.

    I've ripped/copied a bunch of my own purchased DVD's so I can watch them on my computers/tablets/phones. My system is slow but it works. It causes no harm whatsoever to the producer of said video.

    Perhaps it's illegal. I'll toss them when I hear the knock at my door.
  • Yeah, this discussion isn't for everyone. As a Christian, my conscience would trouble me too much if I ripped DVDs illegally. Your mileage may vary.
  • Geez, I just copied 40 VHS tapes via a TV Tuner card and created mpg's. Media player likes them and they are great to watch. Had to do this because the two old VCR's are starting to fail. When my DVD's start to fail I too will place them on my 3TB USB drive. I own them and I am not profiting from them.
  • MrWizard wrote:
    the media server, does not need to transcode the video
    the tablet will down convert if necessary


    I would have thought the same, but apparently Plex transcodes the video before sending it over the wire:

    "The Server has been designed to let you watch media on numerous Apps in your home or remotely over the Internet. One of the key features of the Server is the ability to send media to the various devices in a format that best suits the device. For example, a Smart Phone can be sent a lower-resolution version of a Full HD show to make it more practical for playback on the device. This process is called "transcoding" and can be quite CPU intensive in some cases."

    https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/200264746-Quick-Start-Step-by-Step
  • More info on the legality:
    http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/save-videos-from-any-site-even-netflix-with-applians-replay-capture-suite/

    http://wmrecorder.com/support/legal-faq/

    http://applian.com/support/legal

    http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/technology/articles/2009/09/30/is-it-legal-to-copy-a-dvd

    "So it's illegal to copy a DVD? Interestingly, no. Judges have said that consumers have a right to copy a DVD for their own use—say, for backing it up to another disk or perhaps watching it on another device, such as an iPod. That's the same "fair use" rule that made it legal to tape television shows for watching later, perhaps on a different TV. The problem is that consumers can't duplicate DVDs without software tools that get around the copy protection on those disks. It is those tools that Congress outlawed."

    And video capturing does not use those tools :)


    Here's a discussion about the legality of a DVR strictly for online content such as Hulu:
    http://www.reelseo.com/dvr-for-online-video-playlater/

    I read this as, DVDs and services that don't explicitly restrict video capturing are legal to use. Not Hulu, but maybe other services.


    Interestingly, the free DVD players such as VideoLAN also use decryption schemes that are illegal in the United States. See this:
    http://www.zdnet.com/article/if-vlc-can-ship-a-free-dvd-player-why-cant-microsoft/

    To be fully legal, you have to buy a DVD codec, and those software developers pay a royalty fee to some organization. (I think it's MPAA?)

    That fee is about $10, which is why DVD codecs typically cost around $30. I didn't know this, so I'll have to stop using VLC and/or Media Player Classic to watch encrypted DVDs if I wish to do it lawfully. The codec is bundled with Windows 7, but not Windows 8, Vista, or XP. Only Win7. Go figure. But I know from experience that codec doesn't always work correctly; We've had a number of RedBox DVDs that won't play unless I load them in VLC. I think I'll have to buy a genuine codec if I wish to remain lawful.
  • the media server, does not need to transcode the video
    the tablet will down convert if necessary, a 800*400 tablet is near perfect for display recorded DVD video

    you show know these two things

    DVD video is 480 tall by 720w
    even wide scree video is stored in a compressed width of 720 frame and
    restored to full width when played, such as 460*840 etc..

    when recording play the video in 1:1 ratio window of the PC player(aka zoom1) no zoom, not full screen, original size, this will a pixel for pixel display
    record this video, this will give the best copy, and will use a lot less data than you would recording full screen

    IF your discs are BR then yes they are hi-def, and down converting will save space on server

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