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Almot
Explorer III
Oct 16, 2017

MP3 downloads from mp3va.com - don't!

I know some people here are using it, so here is my experience.

The Good:
10-15 cents per title, 320 kbps bitrate. Better than Itunes $0.99 per title. Seemingly good selection of titles. This is where the good ends.

The Bad:
Of 3 albums only one album came out right - mostly because it was a single title-album. The other 2 were rejected by Kodi and Musicbrainz when I tried to add them to library. Couldn't match album-art, couldn't put the titles in order. Having wasted all day, I found that 2 albums were "kinda wrong".

One album (classic) was incomplete - 5 titles instead of 6. MP3VA plugged in an extra title in the downloads pack, to make it total 6 - totally different title from a different album. Took me a few hours to find the "right" missing title because it exists in a few variations.

Another album was simply the wrong one. I wanted 1978 Brian Eno performed by Brian Eno, instead I got 1998 group called "Bang on a Can" who perform works by Brian Eno. Different group, different instruments, 20 years later. Both original 1978 Brian Eno and the "Bang" playing their songs in 1998 released albums with same titles inside and very similar album names. M.orons from MP3VA further masked this by attaching the "right" Brian Eno cover-art and the "right" 1978 year to the wrong album in their catalog. MP3VA didn't have the original album, apparently.

You have to put minimum $15 in "virtual wallet" to buy from MP3VA, and use this balance until it's gone. They only take Visa and Bitcoins, - no Mastercard. If you are pissed off after the first purchase - like me - you may kiss your money goodbye.

The Ugly:
They ignore your complaints. Based in mainland China, this is TAD to be expected due to both language barrier and mentality of their small online businesses "you paid, now go frack yourself".

Conclusion
They are claiming to pay all the royalties, making a few cents on top of it - don't know, maybe. If somebody is desperate for money - I'll say, go for it. If you're careful, checking BEFORE BUYING that the album is: a) complete and b) right year and performer, 90-95% chance that you'll get what you want, and very cheap. 10% of time you'll waste a day on what was supposed to take 10 minutes, and possibly waste some money too. Like I wrote, Brian Eno album was mislabeled - they offer short samples to listen, so you "might" detect that it's a wrong album if you know well the original group and how it is supposed to sound.


Moderator's Note: mp3va.com is listed in U.S. TRADE REPRESENTATIVE annual report as being unauthorized to sell music. Due caution should be exercised before giving out credit or personal info to this site! See post here.

10 Replies

  • Almot wrote:
    After I've paid, my Visa bill reads:

    Merchant Information
    BJRAINFLIW LTD
    BEIJING, 10000

    Country Code
    CN - China

    MCC Description
    MEN S AND WOMEN S CLOTHING STORES


    That's pretty funny. This is how they get around being blocked by U.S. credit card processing banks. I doubt they list the purchase as digital downloads?

    China is notorious for disregarding intellectual property rights, so should be no surprise to find companies based there involved in some fashion of pirated products?
  • Almot wrote:
    fj12ryder wrote:
    Did you know in advance that it was a Chinese company? ...
    Did you wonder that maybe it was too good to be true?

    1) No. It only says on the website that they are not based in the US and therefore don't have to charge minimum $0.99 per title.

    After I've paid, my Visa bill reads:

    Merchant Information
    BJRAINFLIW LTD
    BEIJING, 10000

    Country Code
    CN - China

    MCC Description
    MEN S AND WOMEN S CLOTHING STORES


    If it's Ukraine - well, then it's worse than China yet. I know those places well, completely ruined and corrupted small country in the last 5-10 years, sliding quickly towards the level of Somali and Albania.

    2) Not really.
    They claim to be paying royalties. I don't know how much are royalties per title, i.e. whether it's possible to pay it after $0.15 sale. When you buy a Chinese blade fuse for $0.90 in the US, or same fuse for $0.20 in Mexico, or for $0.05 on Ebay - (still profitable for retailer), it's the same Chinese fuse.

    I learned about this company from other posters here at RV.net, there were no complaints. Maybe for some customers it will work, like simple order of a well known album of a well known group, and if he is deaf on one ear and can't tell the difference between studio record and live concert, or same titles performed by a different group :)

    Their product quality alone and quality of service makes it a poor choice, regardless of price or legality.


    I would watch your credit card very close from now on. The merchant listed is used as a cover for sales to others from areas that don't want you to know their location.
  • Almot wrote:
    1) No. It only says on the website that they are not based in the US and therefore don't have to charge minimum $0.99 per title..
    Yeah, I'd believe that.
  • Almot's avatar
    Almot
    Explorer III
    fj12ryder wrote:
    wrote:

    Did you know in advance that it was a Chinese company? ...
    Did you wonder that maybe it was too good to be true?


    1) No. It only says on the website that they are not based in the US and therefore don't have to charge minimum $0.99 per title.

    After I've paid, my Visa bill reads:

    Merchant Information
    BJRAINFLIW LTD
    BEIJING, 10000

    Country Code
    CN - China

    MCC Description
    MEN S AND WOMEN S CLOTHING STORES

    If it's Ukraine - well, then it's worse than China yet. I know those places well, completely ruined and corrupted small country in the last 5-10 years, sliding quickly towards the level of Somali and Albania.

    2) Not really.
    They claim to be paying royalties. I don't know how much are royalties per title, i.e. whether it's possible to pay it after $0.15 sale. When you buy a Chinese blade fuse for $0.90 in the US, or same fuse for $0.20 in Mexico, or for $0.05 on Ebay - (still profitable for retailer), it's the same Chinese fuse.

    I learned about this company from other posters here at RV.net, there were no complaints. Maybe for some customers it will work, like simple order of a well known album of a well known group, and if he is deaf on one ear and can't tell the difference between studio record and live concert, or same titles performed by a different group
    Their product quality alone and quality of service makes it a poor choice, regardless of price or legality.


    Moderator's Note: Nothing edited. Clicked wrong button.
  • 2oldman wrote:
    Please stay away from junk like this. Support your musicians. Saving 80c per song.. big deal.


    X2
  • Please stay away from junk like this. Support your musicians. Saving 80c per song.. big deal.
  • Note that mp3va.com is listed in U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) annual report as essentially a pirate site! The specific text as follows:


    MP3VA.COM

    "This site is one of several based in Russia and Ukraine that allegedly engages in the un-authorized sale of U.S. sound recordings. The site attracts more than 860,000 visits a month, principally from the United States, United Kingdom, and India. It has the look and feel of legal music download sites but sells tracks for pennies. MP3VA’s FAQ page misrepresents the legality of its operations and purports to have a license from Avtor, a rogue Ukrainian collecting society. However, the site’s music download sales are not authorized and authors are not paid. Major U.S. credit card and payment processors no longer support the site. The hosting provider is located in Russia and the operators appear to be located in Ukraine."

    If a website is offering mainstream media content at un-realistic pricing, it's likely not legal. Regardless of their claims of legitimacy.

    You can download USTR 2016 Out-of-Cycle Review of Notorious Markets.
  • MP3VA is not a Chinese company. It is located in the Ukraine and has a Russian Federation IP address. Their ownership and administrative contact for the website is listed as"private" through a Canadian service. They have gone to great trouble to hide their origin. The license to distribute they refer to is not valid in the US only in the Ukraine. This is a common way to go around legitimate licensing requirements by stating misleading information.
  • This really does look like one of those instances where you actually do get what you pay for. Did you know in advance that it was a Chinese company? And did you still go ahead and buy? Did you wonder that maybe it was too good to be true?

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