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CoeyCoey
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Feb 02, 2019

Propane Fuel Cell

This looks very interesting.

https://www.thefitrv.com/rv-tips/the-watt-fuel-cell-coming-to-an-rv-near-you/

.34 lbs/hour for 500 watts. .34 pounds of propane has around 2,150wh of energy, so this is around 23% efficient with is close to that of a generator. If this was coupled with a large battery bank, you would have near silent power all the time. With 500 watts of solar added on this, on a sunny day you would get over 1,200 amp/hours from a 12v battery bank. That should be enough to run an AC straight for 10 hours.

I haven't found a confirmation on price, but I have read on some threads people claim it is going to be around $5,000. A used Nissan leaf battery pack of 24 kWh is around $5,000. An in inverter, BMS, 500 watts of solar, and you are probably around $13,000. You could probably get $2,500 for a used propane generator. So, maybe just over $10K all in. Would it be worth it to you?

If we ever develop a decent hydrogen network, then hydrogen would be a far better fuel. At the present $14/kg, it would cost around twice that of propane per kWh, but future technologies are expected to get it around $2/kg.
  • Actually, I just did the math. According to Onan, a 2500W LP generator uses .4 gal/hour at half load, and .6gal/hour at full load. That gives it an efficiency of 11% at half load and 15% at full load. So, this fuel cell is going to be over twice as efficient than the generator at half load. The fuel cell will run over 123 hours on a 10 gallon tank. A propane generator would run a max of 25 hours at half load, or 17 hours at full load.
  • I disagree on the efficiency factor matching and lp generator
    And cost almost always turns out greater than these news announcement blurbs adv

    When the cost is competitive with a generator of comparable power
    The market will be more receptive
  • As I stated in my post, this propane fuel cell has efficiency on par with a propane generator. Also, it makes almost no noise, and is far more environmentally friendly. The EFOY is Methanol. This is propane. Most RVs already have a propane tank. And if they have a propane generator, then it already has a line in place. Remove the propane generator and install this with some batteries in its place.
  • This kind of thing has been talked about, as just around the corner
    For years
    The EFOY fuel cell came out a few years ago, listed for the marine market
    IIRC
    $3000 80 ampHr at 12v, almost 1KwHr of power total per pound of propane

    A generator is more fuel efficient than these fuel cells, and has greater power capability

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