Thanks shakyjay. Those removal instructions went further that what I was able to find. For those that questioned, I am using Windows 7 pro, SP 1. When I tried to do an uninstall program from the control panel and also through ASC uninstall programs, neither were listed in the installed programs. But it looks like these instructions may just be what I needed. Thanks again.
FWIW I am very careful when updating programs, I try to unclick all that unneeded and unwanted garbage that they piggyback in there but somehow I missed these two. It seems like this type of piggybacking is getting worse.