Security Issue for Lenovo Laptops

LANShark42 wrote:
No, not everyone forgets... Maybe you need a bit of a history lesson. IBM started and OWNED the PC industry. There is a reason early PCs were known as "IBM compatible". To say they failed is laughable. It was Lenovo who has slowly driven the brand into the ground.

Maybe I do need a little history. I retired from IBM after working for them for 38 years.

And you need to do a little more research if you think Lenovo has driven the brand into the ground.

If that is the case, I'm all the more perplexed by your statement regarding IBM "failing" in the PC marketplace. But it might explain your sympathetic viewpoint and forgiveness of these large companies atrocities.

LANShark42 wrote:
If that is the case, I'm all the more perplexed by your statement regarding IBM "failing" in the PC marketplace.

I think it's commonly believed that IBM did not do well in the PC marketplace over time. They dominated the consumer market for a while in the 80's, but started losing ground to the clones because they refused to license their architecture. They went from 75% to 25% market share in the consumer market in the 80's and they lost control of the industry they helped create. They continued to compete in the business market, but they're entirely out of hardware now so that says a lot.

The same thing happened to Word Perfect with word processing and Novell with networking - once dominant and now gone.

LANShark42 wrote:
But it might explain your sympathetic viewpoint and forgiveness of these large companies atrocities.

Are you reading the same messages I'm reading? AsheGuy described the recent actions as "insidious" - hard to see how that's sympathetic.

I lived through that era working in IT. But just because they left the market they had earlier created hardly makes them a failure. I saw a lot of IBM PCs, servers, laptops and even Token Ring in my day. As with WordPerfect and NetWare, sometimes the best technology didn't win the marketing wars.

And yes, he uses the term insidious. But, IMO, he goes on to defend the actions of those companies who are secretly loading dangerous software onto our PCs. To say that "The best we can do is learn to carefully use it." is wrong-thinking. We can (and I do) do more than that. We can decline to purchase products from those companies. That's one of the main things wrong with America today. Even when we recognize we are being harmed by Big Business (or the government) we shrug our shoulders and say "Oh well, there's nothing I can do about it so I'll just roll over and take it."

He also suggests company executives can deny culpability because they didn't know what the programmers were coding into their products. How is that not negligence?!?

I'll admit it's possible I'm misinterpreting his statements, but I really don't think so. Having worked for IBM for 36 years, I'm sure he is thoroughly indoctrinated in their "Big Business" mentality.

LANShark42: Do you have PMs blocked or just haven't checked? I sent you one a little after noon.

AsheGuy wrote:

RayJayco wrote:
People easily forget...
Turbo Tax, McAfee, Symantec, the list is too long of products that have or have had malware in them... Google is one to watch as well...

..Large companies like Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Lenovo, etc, etc, are very sensitive to maintaining their reputation..

They might be sensitive to maintaining THEIR reputation. But these companies are the very worst offenders of STEALING/SELLING your information.

Read the entire privacy policies on these it's all there in black and white as everyone mindlessly hits the 'I accept' button to gain access to a site.

I've taken an hour out of my life and read the 'entire' privacy policies on these and it is frighting what they state they WILL do with all your personal information knowing that everyone will just hit the 'i accept' button.

I just read of all things the privacy policy on the social security board where you input the most sensitive of sensitive personal info. They are even worse than google.

Click on I accept on the SS site and you've given them the right to hit your credit report each and every time you access the site, they sell your info to all credit card companies,and to each of your debits you have,etc etc., and if you are applying for food stamps they send all your personal info to your local sheriffs office data base!!!