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myredracer
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Oct 14, 2017

Some dish aiming questions for satellite Xperts...

Recently got a Birdog meter. Sure helps for peaking a signal. Also just got a 34" dish to get more gain. Installed a new Invacom QPH-031 LNB on it which has 2 linear outputs and 2 circular (one right, one left). I got the big dish for trips farther south because we're using Bell sat service on Nimiq-4 82 and Nimiq-1 91 and the signal footprint drops down significantly around the WA/OR border but some users have reported getting an adequate signal farther south, even as far as Florida. We're currently camping in WA not far from the border.

Just tried setting up the dish at the CG and it's not a very good site for sat reception due to trees. The deciduous trees I'm aiming through have lost there leaves and thought I'd give it a try. Was surprised to find that the meter is telling me I'm getting a 100% signal on both sats. However, using "point dish" on the receiver, it works fine on 91 but when I switch it to 82 it says I'm on the wrong sat (91). Have been able to get 82 from this same CG last year using a small 18" dish.

Have tried re-aiming the dish towards what I *think* should be 82 but the meter is still saying 100% on both sats. We were at another CG last weekend and was able to get 82 just fine. I don't want to have to bother with two LNBs and having to adjust the skew angle. Sat 82 has most of the HD stations but 91 has the program schedule so it would be nice to get both 82 & 91. Have done the check switch process a few times and have tried moving the dish around a bit but doesn't help.

Questions are:
1. Can a dish with only one LNB receive two sat. signals?
2. The receiver has a separator with and have one coax cable out to the dish. Could it possibly be anything to do with this?
3. Why does the meter say I'm getting both 82 & 91 simultaneously with 100% strength? The receiver says the signal is 84% on 82.
4. The satellite downloads from the Birdog site lists both sats with a prefix of "BR" and "BL". Is one circular right and one circular left? Doesn't seem to matter which output (right or left) on the LNB but the meter was only locking in on one of them.
5. I've read that too strong a signal can overwhelm a receiver. Could this be a factor?

TIA!

20 Replies

  • Bill.Satellite wrote:
    Shaw in Mexico....Yes.
    Never heard of anyone getting Bell in Mexico since the re-pointed the beam many years ago.

    yes I have not really followed bell in last couple years and now I see they stopped bell in 2012 so true no longer only shaw is available
  • Questions are:
    1. Can a dish with only one LNB receive two sat. signals?
    NO.
    2. The receiver has a separator with and have one coax cable out to the dish. Could it possibly be anything to do with this?
    NO.
    3. Why does the meter say I'm getting both 82 & 91 simultaneously with 100% strength? The receiver says the signal is 84% on 82.
    IT'S WRONG IF YOU HAVE ONLY 1 LNB.
    4. The satellite downloads from the Birdog site lists both sats with a prefix of "BR" and "BL". Is one circular right and one circular left? Doesn't seem to matter which output (right or left) on the LNB but the meter was only locking in on one of them.
    NO IDEA WHAT THIS LNB IS.
    5. I've read that too strong a signal can overwhelm a receiver. Could this be a factor?
    NO.
  • Shaw in Mexico....Yes.
    Never heard of anyone getting Bell in Mexico since the re-pointed the beam many years ago.
  • Questions are:
    1. Can a dish with only one LNB receive two sat. signals?
    2. The receiver has a separator with and have one coax cable out to the dish. Could it possibly be anything to do with this?
    3. Why does the meter say I'm getting both 82 & 91 simultaneously with 100% strength?


    iam far from a sat expert but bell can and does get picked up even in mexico
    If u only have a single LNB you cant receive two satellites !!
    you need a dual LNB to get both sats on a manual dish at same time
    the meter may show 82% on your meter but as said your only going to receive one sat no matter; the only way u get 2 sats is if the dish moves automatically and I don't believe that,s what your describing here at all
  • It has been awhile since I played with that LNB, back in the FTA days. If I remember correctly, the 2 circular outputs are meant to feed 2 receivers (either Bell or Dish networks) and the 2 linear outputs could be used for Star Choice or other satellites that used that system. The CW and CCW options are determined by the receiver and the channels they are requesting. The channels are on transponders at the satellite and the transponders are what are CCW or CW outputs. The lnb/dish can only be pointing to one satellite at a time. This information should answer most of your questions. Bells footprint is such that it does not broadcast very much south of the border and reception will be spotty at best. Bell may cut you off if they are aware of you using their signal south of the border. Most Canadians will use Shaw as the service of choice when travelling North America outside Canada. If Bell now offers an lnb capable of receiving those 2 satellites at once, you should use it or a mount for 2 lnbs instead of the one you are now using.

    I hope this helps you some.
  • Bill.Satellite wrote:
    I have not heard of anyone receiving the Bell signal much beyond the Canadian (100-200 miles, maybe). A larger dish might help but I am doubtful.


    So far, I've been able to get 82 in Long Beach WA, about 300 mi. from the border, with a good signal strength on a 24" dish and generic LNB.

    The satelliteguys.us website has a coverage map for 82here and on their page here, it looks like I should be good farther down through OR towards CA.

    I don't understand why I could get just 82 close to the CAN/US border last weekend (and just 91 if I had wanted that). We're currently about 50 mi. from the border.
  • I have not heard of anyone receiving the Bell signal much beyond the Canadian (100-200 miles, maybe). A larger dish might help but I am doubtful.
    If you are not using a Bell LNB with your antenna the chances of reception are also greatly reduced. Last I checked Bell was all broadcast on the KU band so you would need that style antenna and the spacing between the LNB's would need to be the same or very close.
    Receivers will give false reading when being fed incorrect data so it's hard to speculate what all is going on with your current setup.
  • donn0128 wrote:
    Signal loss thru splitters, connectors and coax would be my guess. Are you running directly from dish to receiver, or dish to RV?


    Installed a new coax directly from the exterior jack to receiver and have a single coax out to the dish. Has worked fine for last year or so. No splitters anywhere except for the separator that needs to be on the receiver. Have been using a smaller dish all along and never any problems.
  • Signal loss thru splitters, connectors and coax would be my guess. Are you running directly from dish to receiver, or dish to RV?

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