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DallasSteve
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Mar 31, 2017

Pulling A Fifth Wheel vs. Bumper Pull

I've been researching travel trailers and I'm not sure yet whether I want a fifth wheel or a bumper pull trailer. I've read more than once that a fifth wheel is easier to handle/more stable on the road. I've heard others claim there's not much difference if they are set up correctly. Part of my hesitation on going with a fifth wheel is losing the truck bed, the additional tow capacity needed, the additional height, the additional cost. But they are nice. And I will probably put several thousand miles per year on it so doing that with more tranquility would be nice.

Can some of you who have pulled large trailers (over 35 feet) of both varieties give me your opinion about the difference in feel on the road?

(Moderator, if this would be better under General RV or somewhere else feel free to move it)

Thanks

Steve

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I've read more than once that a fifth wheel is easier to handle/more stable on the road. I've heard others claim there's not much difference if they are set up correctly. Part of my hesitation on going with a fifth wheel is losing the truck bed, the additional tow capacity needed, the additional height, the additional cost. But they are nice. And I will probably put several thousand miles per year on it so doing that with more tranquility would be nice.

Can some of you who have pulled large trailers (over 35 feet) of both varieties give me your opinion about the difference in feel on the road?

(Moderator, if this would be better under General RV or somewhere else feel free to move it)

Thanks

Steve","body@stringLength":"870","rawBody":"I've been researching travel trailers and I'm not sure yet whether I want a fifth wheel or a bumper pull trailer. I've read more than once that a fifth wheel is easier to handle/more stable on the road. I've heard others claim there's not much difference if they are set up correctly. Part of my hesitation on going with a fifth wheel is losing the truck bed, the additional tow capacity needed, the additional height, the additional cost. But they are nice. And I will probably put several thousand miles per year on it so doing that with more tranquility would be nice.

Can some of you who have pulled large trailers (over 35 feet) of both varieties give me your opinion about the difference in feel on the road?

(Moderator, if this would be better under General RV or somewhere else feel free to move it)

Thanks

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Also I thing Horton may be using \"alternate physics\" in his wind analysis, since no one seems to experience this effect in the real world.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"168","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-04-01T11:27:05.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-04-01T11:27:05.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":225},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:RVNewbies/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:RVNewbiesforum-board/message:2595397/message:2595418","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"168","rawBody":"I generally agree with PPnG. Also I thing Horton may be using \"alternate physics\" in his wind analysis, since no one seems to experience this effect in the real world.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2595418_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:1817":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1817","uid":1817,"login":"PawPaw_n_Gram","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-02-06T08:10:31.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1817"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2595417":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2595417","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2595417":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1817"},"id":"message:2595417","revisionNum":1,"uid":2595417,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVNewbiesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2595397"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2595397"},"subject":"Re: Pulling A Fifth Wheel vs. Bumper Pull","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2595417"},"body":"Re - loss of the pickup bed with a fifth wheel hitch setup.

If you have a TT - the lack of storage in the 'basement' is going to mean you need a cover for the truck bed and use the bed of the truck to store all the stuff you would store in a fifth wheel basement.

You really don't lose much usable space/ volume. However, you are going to transfer a ton or so of weight from the truck bed to the 5th wheel basement. Make very sure any 5er you buy has the available carrying capacity to handle the extra weight. Also - don't completely trust the stickers on the rig. Weigh the 5er empty, then weight it after getting it full. So you know your exact numbers - not some manufacture brochure numbers.

RE towing characteristics - all trailers sway. TT, 5er, 18 wheeler, etc. When the wind pushes the rear of the trailer, a fifth wheel puts the force of the hitch of the trailer on the truck over the rear axle. That minimizes the impact of swaying on the tow vehicle. A proper hitch setup on a TT also minimizes the impact of swaying on the tow vehicle. Just be aware that the force pushing the rear of the TV is several feet behind the rear axle with a TT.

Re: Height - fifth wheels are higher, and they put more square feet of sail area on the front. Sail area is the biggest impact on fuel mileage. Be aware that a 1 mph difference is close to 10% for most people. Slowing from 65 to 55 will also likely give a person a 10-15% increase in fuel mileage.

Parking area - height issues. Been the hardest thing to teach my wife to watch the overhead while I'm backing into a parking space around trees. A 5er does require a more vigilant approach to parking behavior. Also - MEASURE your rig. Forget the MFR numbers - get out and have someone help you actually measure the highest points on the 5er while hooked up. Don't assume the manufacturer numbers are correct. KNOW your exact height.

Convenience - Most folks find a 5er better for living than a TT. We live full-time in a 36', three slide TT. But the limited overhead does also limit our storage capacity. I'm also always hitting my head on the interior edges of the slides. A 5er slides are going to be higher than your head most of the time. A TT slides are likely going to put the sharp edge about mid-forehead high.

As I mentioned above - a TT has a very limited external storage capacity. A fifth wheel has more. But you can overload both very easily.

Tow Vehicle - frankly, after a few years - I'm tired of trying to maneuver around a big pickup truck in cities which seem to assume the longest vehicle is going to be less than 16' feet long. Or narrower than 6 feet. My 2500 tow vehicle is 22 feet long, and 8'9 3/4\" wide to the outside of the mirrors.

Setup/ tear down convenience - I WANT a six point auto leveling system. So bad I can taste it. The key to minimizing trailer movement while parked is to get weight off the springs. Auto leveling systems do that much better than any manual system. They also cut down your setup / tear down time. There are some auto leveling systems for TT, but most TT don't have the frame elements available to install such a system. A great many 5th wheel rigs are available with auto-leveling systems standard.

5th wheels are also taller in one critical area - the steps into the rig. Most 5th wheels I've seen average a floor height from 12 to 18 inches higher than a TT. If you or the DW has knee problems or other mobility issues - that might be a problem.

Also the steps to the bedroom / front living area of a 5th wheel can be a problem for some folks. Among the folks in my home Good Sam group - five couples have sold their fifth wheel in the past two years - three going to a TT, one to a Class B, the other to a Class A. All because of mobility issues and the internal steps in the fifth wheel.

We even have one couple where the husband only can climb the steps to the bedroom once a day. They have a rig with a mid-bathroom just so he doesn't have to climb the steps during most of the day. As much as they love their 43' 5er, he is getting close to the point of either trading it for a flat floor rig, or living full-time in the living room/ kitchen and half-bath.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-04-01T07:49:29.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-04-01T07:49:29.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":225},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:RVNewbies/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:RVNewbiesforum-board/message:2595397/message:2595417","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"4303","rawBody":"Re - loss of the pickup bed with a fifth wheel hitch setup.

If you have a TT - the lack of storage in the 'basement' is going to mean you need a cover for the truck bed and use the bed of the truck to store all the stuff you would store in a fifth wheel basement.

You really don't lose much usable space/ volume. However, you are going to transfer a ton or so of weight from the truck bed to the 5th wheel basement. Make very sure any 5er you buy has the available carrying capacity to handle the extra weight. Also - don't completely trust the stickers on the rig. Weigh the 5er empty, then weight it after getting it full. So you know your exact numbers - not some manufacture brochure numbers.

RE towing characteristics - all trailers sway. TT, 5er, 18 wheeler, etc. When the wind pushes the rear of the trailer, a fifth wheel puts the force of the hitch of the trailer on the truck over the rear axle. That minimizes the impact of swaying on the tow vehicle. A proper hitch setup on a TT also minimizes the impact of swaying on the tow vehicle. Just be aware that the force pushing the rear of the TV is several feet behind the rear axle with a TT.

Re: Height - fifth wheels are higher, and they put more square feet of sail area on the front. Sail area is the biggest impact on fuel mileage. Be aware that a 1 mph difference is close to 10% for most people. Slowing from 65 to 55 will also likely give a person a 10-15% increase in fuel mileage.

Parking area - height issues. Been the hardest thing to teach my wife to watch the overhead while I'm backing into a parking space around trees. A 5er does require a more vigilant approach to parking behavior. Also - MEASURE your rig. Forget the MFR numbers - get out and have someone help you actually measure the highest points on the 5er while hooked up. Don't assume the manufacturer numbers are correct. KNOW your exact height.

Convenience - Most folks find a 5er better for living than a TT. We live full-time in a 36', three slide TT. But the limited overhead does also limit our storage capacity. I'm also always hitting my head on the interior edges of the slides. A 5er slides are going to be higher than your head most of the time. A TT slides are likely going to put the sharp edge about mid-forehead high.

As I mentioned above - a TT has a very limited external storage capacity. A fifth wheel has more. But you can overload both very easily.

Tow Vehicle - frankly, after a few years - I'm tired of trying to maneuver around a big pickup truck in cities which seem to assume the longest vehicle is going to be less than 16' feet long. Or narrower than 6 feet. My 2500 tow vehicle is 22 feet long, and 8'9 3/4\" wide to the outside of the mirrors.

Setup/ tear down convenience - I WANT a six point auto leveling system. So bad I can taste it. The key to minimizing trailer movement while parked is to get weight off the springs. Auto leveling systems do that much better than any manual system. They also cut down your setup / tear down time. There are some auto leveling systems for TT, but most TT don't have the frame elements available to install such a system. A great many 5th wheel rigs are available with auto-leveling systems standard.

5th wheels are also taller in one critical area - the steps into the rig. Most 5th wheels I've seen average a floor height from 12 to 18 inches higher than a TT. If you or the DW has knee problems or other mobility issues - that might be a problem.

Also the steps to the bedroom / front living area of a 5th wheel can be a problem for some folks. Among the folks in my home Good Sam group - five couples have sold their fifth wheel in the past two years - three going to a TT, one to a Class B, the other to a Class A. All because of mobility issues and the internal steps in the fifth wheel.

We even have one couple where the husband only can climb the steps to the bedroom once a day. They have a rig with a mid-bathroom just so he doesn't have to climb the steps during most of the day. As much as they love their 43' 5er, he is getting close to the point of either trading it for a flat floor rig, or living full-time in the living room/ kitchen and half-bath.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":4,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2595417_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:174872":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:174872","uid":174872,"login":"horton333","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-11-08T18:43:14.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:174872"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2595416":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2595416","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2595416":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:174872"},"id":"message:2595416","revisionNum":1,"uid":2595416,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVNewbiesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2595397"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2595397"},"subject":"Re: Pulling A Fifth Wheel vs. Bumper Pull","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2595416"},"body":"
Walaby wrote:
My friend traded his TT in for 5er. He says gas mileage IMPROVED by almost 2MPG (Ford Diesel). Towing experience, he says is better with 5er and felt more stable in windy conditions.

Mike

That extra height increases wind drag and at a 4 times rate, and drag is the main determinate of fuel efficiency at constant speed. The second is weight on hills or accelerating, and being taller the fifth wheel also tends to weigh more per unit length for most of its length. Perhaps he changed to the diesel at the same time as he bought the fifth wheel.... about the only science that could explain that huge fuel use improvement observation. I guess he could also have converted to one of those 200 mph carburetors, but those are scarse now and also difficult to retrofit on a diesel. :W
Perhaps also he had a terrible setup on his earlier trailer, there are some out there, but for equal length trailers, as under discussion, the wind on the extra height will have even more than 4 times the sideways pushing effect (not only does the wind's force go up 4 times that extra force is applied farther above the axle and so has much greater effect on stability). The higher trailer was aleady less stable sideways to begin with given the higher center of gravity, so less resistant to the push. The fifth wheels often have more robust axles which helps a bit and the length is measured differently which adds a bit of complexity to these generalizations and the \"equal length\" assumption, but neither is going to compensate for the huge math disadvantage to a side wind in any typical case of 35' trailers.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-04-01T06:55:15.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-04-01T06:55:15.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":225},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:RVNewbies/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:RVNewbiesforum-board/message:2595397/message:2595416","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1668","rawBody":"
Walaby wrote:
My friend traded his TT in for 5er. He says gas mileage IMPROVED by almost 2MPG (Ford Diesel). Towing experience, he says is better with 5er and felt more stable in windy conditions.

Mike

That extra height increases wind drag and at a 4 times rate, and drag is the main determinate of fuel efficiency at constant speed. The second is weight on hills or accelerating, and being taller the fifth wheel also tends to weigh more per unit length for most of its length. Perhaps he changed to the diesel at the same time as he bought the fifth wheel.... about the only science that could explain that huge fuel use improvement observation. I guess he could also have converted to one of those 200 mph carburetors, but those are scarse now and also difficult to retrofit on a diesel. :W
Perhaps also he had a terrible setup on his earlier trailer, there are some out there, but for equal length trailers, as under discussion, the wind on the extra height will have even more than 4 times the sideways pushing effect (not only does the wind's force go up 4 times that extra force is applied farther above the axle and so has much greater effect on stability). The higher trailer was aleady less stable sideways to begin with given the higher center of gravity, so less resistant to the push. The fifth wheels often have more robust axles which helps a bit and the length is measured differently which adds a bit of complexity to these generalizations and the \"equal length\" assumption, but neither is going to compensate for the huge math disadvantage to a side wind in any typical case of 35' trailers.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2595416_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:311536":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:311536","uid":311536,"login":"Goostoff","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-11-11T18:02:19.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:311536"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2595415":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2595415","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2595415":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:311536"},"id":"message:2595415","revisionNum":1,"uid":2595415,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVNewbiesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2595397"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2595397"},"subject":"Re: Pulling A Fifth Wheel vs. Bumper Pull","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2595415"},"body":"We used to have a 32 foot TT with a 3/4 ton Suburban. 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No issues if hitch and weight distribution are set correctly. I do like my trucks 8 foot bed available for stuff. Of course my triple axle Toy Hauler does track and brake very well. No issues with large trucks or wind. Once you go to 3 axles, you never go back. I think the lower center of gravity also helps, as well as low tree branches and some overpasses. You will get tired of climbing steps all the time in a 5th. 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He says gas mileage IMPROVED by almost 2MPG (Ford Diesel). Towing experience, he says is better with 5er and felt more stable in windy conditions.

A quality hitch for TT improves the experience. I have a Blue Ox, and it's not a 2 grand hitch, and it does quite nicely. BUT, having said that, I have no direct experience with the higher end hitches. I have heard they improve the experience even more. When I go NFT (near full time), I will likely upgrade the hitch to the high end.. or go to 5er.. all depends.

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A quality hitch for TT improves the experience. I have a Blue Ox, and it's not a 2 grand hitch, and it does quite nicely. BUT, having said that, I have no direct experience with the higher end hitches. I have heard they improve the experience even more. When I go NFT (near full time), I will likely upgrade the hitch to the high end.. or go to 5er.. all depends.

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The worst thing about bumper pull it scrapes the bottom end going in to parking lots and gas stations.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2595412_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:104818":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:104818","uid":104818,"login":"dfm","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-05-08T08:54:35.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:104818"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2595411":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2595411","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2595411":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:104818"},"id":"message:2595411","revisionNum":1,"uid":2595411,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVNewbiesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2595397"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2595397"},"subject":"Re: Pulling A Fifth Wheel vs. Bumper Pull","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2595411"},"body":"I pull a 12000 pound, 37 foot trailer with a reese dual cam wd hitch. It is absolutely stable , even in emergency traffic situations. My trailer is a bumper pull but the trailer floor plan is more akin to a 5th wheel plan with the full pass through in the rear with the bedroom above the basement. Key is stability comes from the right hitch, the right hitch weight and the right tow vehicle. I have towed my sister's 38 foot 5'er and I would not trade her for my bumper pull.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-03-31T18:00:54.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-03-31T18:00:54.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":225},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:RVNewbies/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:RVNewbiesforum-board/message:2595397/message:2595411","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"476","rawBody":"I pull a 12000 pound, 37 foot trailer with a reese dual cam wd hitch. It is absolutely stable , even in emergency traffic situations. My trailer is a bumper pull but the trailer floor plan is more akin to a 5th wheel plan with the full pass through in the rear with the bedroom above the basement. Key is stability comes from the right hitch, the right hitch weight and the right tow vehicle. I have towed my sister's 38 foot 5'er and I would not trade her for my bumper pull.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2595411_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:251978":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:251978","uid":251978,"login":"gafidler","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-03-15T17:14:52.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:251978"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2595410":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2595410","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2595410":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:251978"},"id":"message:2595410","revisionNum":1,"uid":2595410,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVNewbiesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2595397"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2595397"},"subject":"Re: Pulling A Fifth Wheel vs. Bumper Pull","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2595410"},"body":"I used to pull a 33ft TT with an equalizer hitch , Hitch cost about $500 had no problems towing. Long trailers back up easier than short trailers. Never pulled a fiver.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"169","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-03-31T17:45:50.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-03-31T17:45:50.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":225},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:RVNewbies/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:RVNewbiesforum-board/message:2595397/message:2595410","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"169","rawBody":"I used to pull a 33ft TT with an equalizer hitch , Hitch cost about $500 had no problems towing. Long trailers back up easier than short trailers. 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I only have a stock F150 with the short wheelbase (5.5bed). It isnt just a WDH but WDH and sway contol. 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