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BeerBrewer
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Sep 11, 2018

We're going to the PA RV show and need a bit of advice.

My wife and I are new to RVing, but not new to camping. I used to be an avid backpacker, my wife grew up camping with a pop-up and we've done a bit of tent camping together. Our goal is to buy a tow-able RV (not decided between a 5th wheel or TT) and tour the USA and Canada. So this week we are headed off our first RV show in PA! We are going with a couple objectives in mind. First and foremost, we hope to learn a lot about RVing and towing. We thought that the show would be a good place see a lot of different RVs. Second, decide upon a trailer we like. Third, (probably toughest objective), we are hoping to find a layout and trailer with a layout that we like AND that my current truck (2006 4X4 Toyota Tundra Access Cab, 4.7L with the towing package) can SAFELY tow. If this proves impossible (which it may be) we are going to pick the "best" trailer and upgrade my truck to at least a 3/4 ton truck. As you all know this is a very expensive option.

I've already made a couple posts on my truck dilemma and I know what it can't do but I haven't quite figured out what it can do. According to my manual it's "payload" is 12,000 lbs (truck, trailer and cargo) with a max 700 lb tongue wt. The truck weighs 5000 lbs, so that leaves 7000 lbs for the trailer and cargo. I believe that my truck's most limiting factor is the low tongue wt. What confuses me is most trailer specs give the UVW or dry wt and hitch weight (when empty). Then they give the cargo wt and/or the GVWR, but don't give the ultimate tongue weight. I'm sure that's because it varies with how the trailer is loaded. For instance today I saw spec on Apex Ultra-lite 213RDS trailer that looks like it might be tow-able withe my Tundra. The specs are follows: Hitch Weight: 467 lb, UVW : 3806 lb, GVWR: 6000 lb, CCC: 2194 lb, Length: 25' 0". On the surface, this looks okay, but I don't know how loading the trailer will effect the tongue wt. The trailer cargo storage is right up front, so I would expect its load to greatly effect the tongue wt and there doesn't seem like there are a lot other areas, so there may not be a lot of ways to redistribute the load. In your expert opinions, would my Tundra handle this TT? Lastly, we'd use a weight distribution hitch with anti-sway.

Its NOT that I'm planning to buy this trailer (I've never even saw it) I'm only asking so I don't get into a debate with a salesmen or anyone else for that matter as we walk around the show. Lastly, my Tundra is in like new condition, has been garaged for its entire life and almost all of its mileage is from long trips to Maine. It will delay us about a year to gather the funds to replace my truck.
  • Your Tundra will be fine towing. Find the floor plan that you like and do not buy at the show. Start shopping your dealers after the show. I went to the Hershey show and i bought mine in Michigan two weeks later for 6K off of the best show price. Richards Motor Sales (Chris) good people to work with. A 6 hr drive for me but worth the money.
  • With a travel trailer, the tongue weight should be somewhere between 10% and 15% of it's total loaded weight. And, yes, you should shift weight around inside your trailer to achieve that. If you go to a fifth wheel trailer, approximately 25% of the trailers weight should sit in the bed of your truck. Again, you may have to shift weight to achieve that.

    This brings up another point. Somewhere on your truck is a sticker that not only gives the truck's Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, it should also give both Gross Axle Weight Ratings (GAWR) - in other words, how much weight each axle can safely carry. With either a travel trailer or fifth wheel, you need to make sure you don't exceed the rear axle's GAWR.

    In addition to weight, many towing guides also show the maximum Frontal Area (in sq ft) that the vehicle can pull. Remember that dragging a trailer down the highway is akin to pulling an open parachute behind your truck.

    Finally, just because a vehicle is rated to pull a trailer of X pounds, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to pull that much all the time. I've seen a rule of thumb that you should have a trailer that weighs no more than 80% of your maximum towing weight. Try pulling 100% all the time and you will certainly shorten the life of many of the components on your truck.

    Let me just add that in addition to using RV forums like this one as an information source, you should also look for a Toyota Owner's Forum and use that as a cross check. You may well find more Toyota owners who tow there than you do here.
  • RV shows are a great place to get confused and/or sold more than you can handle at a price that is more than you can find at a reputable dealer. As long as you go and look, great. Otherwise its a waste of time any money.
    For a first timer, buy used. For your truck look at TTs under maybe 20 feet. You want bigger? Get a 1 ton. No need to buy a new 70K dollar truck. You can find well equipped 1 ton SRW trucks for under 50K if you do your homework.
  • BeerBrewer wrote:

    I've already made a couple posts on my truck dilemma and I know what it can't do but I haven't quite figured out what it can do. According to my manual it's "payload" is 12,000 lbs (truck, trailer and cargo) with a max 700 lb tongue wt.



    Your payload is what your truck can carry, not "tow". Trailers and fifth wheels transfer part of its own weight to your truck taking up the payload. I have seen some of your posts but was not able to see if you calculated your payload. Make sure you do not have that nomenclature confused.

    Once you have that you can move forward. There are tools here that can help you calculate what you can tow with your payload.