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GlennB
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Jun 28, 2013

50 amp service - is RV service wiring the same as others?

Our trailer is wired for 30 amp service. I carry a 50A to 30A dog bone adapter for situattions where only 50A service is available.
Next week we will be "camped" next to a utility shed on my cousin's farm. My cousin, who is not a RV'er, says there is a 50 amp outlet I can use for the trailer. I think he said that 50A outlet was installed in case he needed to do some welding.
My questions:
1. If the 50A end of my 50A to 30A dog bone adapter fits the 50A receptacle in the shed, can I assume it is OK to connect to my trailer?
2. Is there a voltage measurement I should make first. If so, then I assume the measurements could be made ar the 30A end? If so, then what to measure?
Thanks,
Glenn
  • Like everyone else has said, if it is a 4 prong outlet, maybe.

    If it is a 3 prong outlet, ABSOLUTELY NOT!
  • Actually, a 50 AMP 240 volt 4 WIRE circuit is what a "50 amp RV" needs to operate. 240 volts is only the potential difference (voltage) between both of the 120 volt legs. Most welders utilize a 50 amp 3 wire circuit--that is, they omit the neutral (grounded) conductor. The grounding conductor (notice the difference in spelling) is NOT the same as a grounded conductor. Will it work? Yes. Can it be dangerous? Yes, it the neutral is lost at the panel--it's called an open neutral.
  • I have a couple of 220V tool outlets I installed in my garage, that are 3 conductor 240V with a ground. While you can get 120V to ground off one side, it is a safety hazard because the ground conductor is conducting the return current, and it can create a significant voltage difference between the safety ground of your trailer and the actual ground, which isn't protected by a GFCI or circuit breaker. If the outlet is a 4 wire receptacle that is properly grounded, like one for an electric range, then you are ok after you confirm that it is properly wired. (4 wires all the way back to the panel, ground only bonded at panel). I don't trust anything 240 volts that was wired by someone else, even residential electricians. I'll check with a meter, and if necessary I'll pull off the cover around the outlet and visually inspect the wiring.

    I nearly seriously injured myself using a 240V tablesaw in my garage after I had first moved there. The saw and outlet were wired "properly", but the panel wasn't. The panel was a subpanel and the ground was bonded to the neutral, which is not code in my area, it is only supposed to be bonded at the main panel. The neutral between the subpanel and the main had gotten fried, and I touched the metal table while pushing a board through the saw and got a serious shock. I almost put my arm through the blade. I took a DMM reading between the table and a nearby metal object and got over 100V.
  • RedG wrote:
    I doubt your 50 amp dogbone will plug into your cousin's 50 amp welding plug, but whatever you do, DON'T do it. You will send 220 throughout your coach and fry everything it reaches.
    The old 50 amp plugs were 3 prong and were straight 220v. The newer 4 prong 50 amp plugs are 2 110's which will work for your rig.
    Make sure you know what you're doing before plugging into that receptacle.
    Review this link


    X2!
  • Ask him to look again and see if it is a four prong NEMA 14-50.
    If it is you are good to go. Otherwise no go.
  • I doubt your 50 amp dogbone will plug into your cousin's 50 amp welding plug, but whatever you do, DON'T do it. You will send 220 throughout your coach and fry everything it reaches.
    The old 50 amp plugs were 3 prong and were straight 220v. The newer 4 prong 50 amp plugs are 2 110's which will work for your rig.
    Make sure you know what you're doing before plugging into that receptacle.
    Review this link

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