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- blt2skiModerator10 ply equals LR E tires
8 ply LR D
The new single numerical number makes no sense to me, unless you have the key saying what that number equates to in lbs.
Looking for tires for my 1500, it's P metric, XL, LRC upon occasion, or LR E tires, with a load rating. IF one reads fine print, you can find load rating in lbs in specs....won't always guarantee it.
Marty - BenKExplorerTire’s have several areas of specification.
You all are talking about load rating.
Old days. A 10ply tire meant actual 10 layers (Ply) of cotton fabric, but today’s material science has 1-2-3 or more able to do what took 10 plies to do in the old days. Back then, you had to look up the tire size in order to know what it is rated for. As 10 ply was out of context without the tire size.
There is (actually already has happened and the ply rating is just to help old references in line) move away from ply ratings and into the numeric ratings. This numeric rating is an absolute and does NOT matter which tire size it is molded onto. A much better system.
There are other attributes that matter in this discussion. The main one, IMHO, is the rim width in reference to the tire section width…or that tires spec sheet listing recommended wheel rim width.
Too narrow will have too much sidewall bend back and have the tire behave differently from on mounted on a wider rim width.
For the OP, bouncing means (IMHO), that the tire when compressed by road conditions…spring back faster than a softer tire. As tires are also part of the damping (shock absorber) system.
As recommended by others, suggest lowing your tire PSI but leave enough to carry the load you have on it. Another is to change to higher dampening rate shock absorbers.
There are many sites with ‘what a tire sidewall markings mean’ and here is just one of them:
Tire Rack tech section on tire sidewall markings and what they mean
Original image at the TireRack site has each a clicky jumping you to their detail info site. Each is specific to a table that all tire OEM’s must have. Speed rating, weight rating, heat rating, wear rate, etc, etc… - TerryallanExplorer II
speediq99 wrote:
Towing a 7000lbs tt with F150 2021 w/ 6 ply factory tires. Experiencing some bouncing.
Would I see a difference with 10ply tires?would the ride w/o a trailer be too stiff?
Thank you
MC
Usually the factory tires are only rated to 2175lb, at 44PSI. going to a tire rated 2601lb to 2760lb at 51PSI would be the thing to do. And no the ride with out the trailer would be just about the same as the 2175lb tires. You would just need to lower the tire psi to around 40psi with out the trailer. and of course air them to max psi, 51psi while towing. - Grit_dogNavigator
blt2ski wrote:
10 ply equals LR E tires
8 ply LR D
The new single numerical number makes no sense to me, unless you have the key saying what that number equates to in lbs.
Looking for tires for my 1500, it's P metric, XL, LRC upon occasion, or LR E tires, with a load rating. IF one reads fine print, you can find load rating in lbs in specs....won't always guarantee it.
Marty
That's the beauty of load index. Since that came out, there is no guesswork, D vs E, XL vs LT, etc. - Grit_dogNavigator
Terryallan wrote:
Usually the factory tires are only rated to 2175lb, at 44PSI. going to a tire rated 2601lb to 2760lb at 51PSI would be the thing to do. And no the ride with out the trailer would be just about the same as the 2175lb tires. You would just need to lower the tire psi to around 40psi with out the trailer. and of course air them to max psi, 51psi while towing.
"Usually" is not totally accurate, IMO. Plenty of half tons that come with greater than 44psi rated tires and 2175lbs isn't a magic number as there are many different load ratings in that range depending on tire size. My last 2 half tons had heavier OEM tires. Plus aside from new vehicles, the tires on it are whatever the last person installed.
Any upgrade is an upgrade, as you mentioned going to what is commonly referred to as XL rated tires.
That said, going to a full LT tire with a load index of 121 or greater has alot more benefits than drawbacks. Actually there's zero drawbacks, save for initial cost, which is generally more than offset by treadlife.
Advantages of a "LT" or "D / E" rated tire on a 1/2 ton.
Treadlife: Comparable brand and models often have greater tread depth than the P/XL versions. And often made with a more durable compound (essentially harder rubber, which can = slightly less traction in very poor conditions, but not if aired down properly for those conditions).
Handling: Stiffer sidewalls will give less, even at comparable pressures, making the vehicle handle a bit better. But not at the expense of ride comfort as that is primarily a function of pressure.
Stiffer sidewalls and harder compounds will further reduce wear of outside treads due to scrubbing in corners.
Durability: Thicker carcass = less prone to punctures.
And of course load capability: Most all D or E range tires are overkill for capability and provide a much improved factor of safety over tires that are "just enough."
Really a best value/no brainer thing for half tons. Not "necessary" in alot of conditions, but also not alot more money generally either. - philhExplorer II
speediq99 wrote:
Phil
What tires did you go with for your truck?
I never thought the trailer tires had that much influence but I will look into it. I don't experience sway but I do experience bouncing in the truck.
MC
Michelin Defender LTX. I was SHOCKED at the towing difference. In my size, they came as "D" or "E", I went with "E". - LantleyNomadOnce upon a time I had a F250 work truck that I bought used with c or D rated tires on it (Can't Remember) Long story short I kept getting flats on thes truck. Especially if a had my dump trailer connected.
I finally figured out I needed to get rid of the soft tires it came with and buy a set of E rated tires that I always use on my trucks.
At first I was reluctant to get rid of the original tires because they were very new with lots of tread. But after a few flats I figured out the soft tires were not up to the task. Stiffer tires can make a huge difference.
Changed to E rated tires no more flats. - JIMNLINExplorer III
speediq99 wrote:
Towing a 7000lbs tt with F150 2021 w/ 6 ply factory tires. Experiencing some bouncing.
Would I see a difference with 10ply tires?would the ride w/o a trailer be too stiff?
Thank you
MC
I'll repost the OP question about a 1/2 ton truck/10 ply rated tires as sound like some of the replies has to do 3/4 or bigger trucks.
The OP still isn't clear if he has LT C or a P tire on his truck or what psi is he using in them especially the trucks rear tires. - mkirschNomad II
noteven wrote:
I walked by 5 units here at the rancho - all have "Load Range E" marked on the tires.
4 different weight capacities depending on the tire size and load index. 3640lbs down to 2680lbs.
Us know-it-alls might understand what "10ply" slang means - same as "3/4 ton" vs 1 ton - but maybe we shouldn't be sending someone new to the sport looking for "10 ply tires"...
Tire guy shows him "10 ply" tires. Marked on tire is "Sidwall 2 plies polyester..." - newbie customer looks confused....
It's not slang. The tires SAY "10 ply rated" right on them. - speediq99Explorer III am running Goodyear Wranglers Territory AT OEM tires. Max load 2756 lbs. Max pressure 51psi. Load Range Standard load.
I have been running with 50 psi on the tires while towing.
MC
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