Anyone canceling trips due to Corona virus?

jdc1 wrote:
All campers should cancel their trips, especially May and June up the northern west coast. Also, forget about heading from Seattle to Spokane, and south through Utah. Then, there is no way you want to head towards Vegas, Kingman or Phoenix. Nor would you want to go from Phoenix towards Sacramento. It's just too risky.

Oh.....those are my plans, to go to those areas. Leave me plenty of open campgrounds and open roads for my trip.

It is possible that Washington State will have travel restriction by then.

All campers should cancel their trips, especially May and June up the northern west coast. Also, forget about heading from Seattle to Spokane, and south through Utah. Then, there is no way you want to head towards Vegas, Kingman or Phoenix. Nor would you want to go from Phoenix towards Sacramento. It's just too risky.

Oh.....those are my plans, to go to those areas. Leave me plenty of open campgrounds and open roads for my trip.

memtb wrote:
Time will determine “if” we are truly in a time of a “human extinction” pandemic or over- sensationalism by the media. memtb

Neither of those are true.

Dr. Doug, I’m “not” attempting to make light of this situation. As with any other rampant disease issue....one should use precautions. However, “if” the reported numbers of cases/fatalities are anywhere near accurate, then.....this has/is being “over sensationalized”! Should we be cautious.....yes! Should we join the rest of those lemmings that are in a state of panic, fighting in the grocery store isles.....No! And we will not join the masses standing in line....remember the “avoid crowds recommendation”! We have lived with the philosophy that, “No one should “ever” place themselves in a position of panic buying”! At this point, the greatest threat we have as a nation is....overreaction! Panic buying can critically affect those that actually need various items to protect and feed their families. Those that were ill prepared and chose “panic” over reasoning and logic, using the recommended practices.....will make a bad situation much worse!

Whether this is real or overly “hyped” ......This should be a “wake-up call” to all of America, as to how susceptible we are as a nation, to any kind of worldwide crisis! All of us should be prepared for a “bump in the road”. We have been spoiled by the ability to almost daily go to the store for staple items. The term “self-sufficient” is apparently a term foreign to many people!

We are perfectly capable of “riding this out” at our home for many months, if forced to. We’ll see how it looks “when the dust settles”! Time will determine “if” we are truly in a time of a “human extinction” pandemic or over- sensationalism by the media. memtb

memtb wrote:
Our biggest concern is being “stuck” away from home

Yeah, me too. I'm in So CA and need to get to NM soon. I can't imagine driving being restricted, but who knows? Kind of a nightmare scenario.

memtb wrote:
There is already hysteria over something far less (so far) problematic than a typical flu season.....if you want to actually look at the CDC’s own numbers!

This is faulty reasoning and dangerous. You cannot look at absolute numbers present at any one time to compare risk.

Again, THIS IS NOT LIKE TYPICAL FLU.

With typical flu we have a good percentage of the population immune because of previous infection and recovery and people immune from vaccination. We still have 10s of thousands of death every year with a mortality rate of 0.01 %.

NO ONE HAS IMMUNITY TO THIS CORONAVIRUS. Current mortality rate is calculated at around 3 %, but that is probably a little high because we have been unable to do sufficient testing. It will spread and modeling provided by epidemiologists that do this for a living predict what could happen if we do nothing. Their modeling is proving out in Italy and Spain right now.

Our best case scenario is to slow the spread so that the number of individuals needing intensive care at one time don't overwhelm our health care system.

Dr. Doug

YES! But, “not” from our fears of getting the “bug”! We had a little 3500 mile (round trip) vacation planned, to visit family and friends....and watch two of our grandsons play baseball for a highly ranked 5A HS baseball team. Schools are closing, and baseball stopped for foreseeable future! >:( Hopefully, we can “catch” (pun intended), some games when this craziness is over!

Our biggest concern is being “stuck” away from home “if” the SHTF scenario starts. There is already hysteria over something far less (so far) problematic than a typical flu season.....if you want to actually look at the CDC’s own numbers! If we were full-timers, there would be little to no concerns. But, in a worst case scenario.......I want to be safe, secure, well fed, and away from the masses. So......we’ll ride it out at the “compound”! memtb

A striking number of things have been cancelled leading up to pi day.
We were scheduled to leave in 2 weeks, island hopping in Greece for 10 days, then a long weekend in Vienna (culture) then two weeks in Israel.
Last week Israel shut down visitors from Italy and some other places and what was important to me, Austria. So Vienna is out.
This week Road Scholar cancelled 600 tours including ours in Greece - too many "older" folks at risk. So Greece is out.
Earlier this evening Israel shut down cafes, restaurants, museums, hotels, schools, meetings with over 10 people for the next 5 weeks. So that's out.
Our church has cancelled services, Sunday school, small groups for the next two weeks.
Across the US, we're testing (some of the) people who are sick, and isolating them if positive. We're surely missing many.
Recent observational studies strongly suggest that SARS-CoV-2 is being spread before people are symptomatic - see this. So, staying away from symptomatic people isn't going to work.
If 30% of us (not 50 or 70) become infected, and the mortality rate is 1% (not 2 or 3.4), a bunch of us "older" folks aren't going to make it.
So a secluded forested spot, with maybe mountains and a lake, is sounding better and better for the next couple of months.
- george
- MD, Duke, '72

Heading to Charleston Monday AM. Staying at Charleston AFB Fam Camp. Called them today, and they said they are open, no restrictions.

Mike

From what I read in JAMA and other institutional public digests (Merck manual). There's a whole lot more going on than pure research about innoculations.

Much study is being conducted about septis. Drug cocktails that include Levofloxacin will save many lives. Inhalers to mitigate lung damage. And HIV related medicines that inhibit the pathogen directly.

So hang in there. Remember drug companies can make billions of dollars with significant finds.