CDC and the government may be loosening the lockdown

Add in all the unknown that have gotten it makes 2% an easy reality.

agesilaus wrote:
Something else is going on as they learn more about this disease. Apparently people are thinking that lung problems are not killing people like they assumed, the disease may damage the bloods ability to transport oxygen. You may notice that the governors have stopped screaming about respirators. That's because the MD's are backing away from putting people on a respirator in the first place.

I saw comments by a pulmonary specicilst doctor who pointed out that the prognosis for anyone going on a respirator is grim. Only a small percentage manages to get off one once they put you on one. And it should be saved as the absolute last resort.

^^^THIS^^^

Delt with this issue with my Mom many years ago, DRs only offered intubation and respirator as the only treatment.. Had to make the decision to attempt intubation to help her. Sadly, it didn't help and after 2 weeks of on/off the only option was to Trach and vent permanently or take her off and allow her to go..

Very painful to make decision and very painful to watch her go.

My heart aches for anyone who is put into this situation, it is not handed out like candy to everyone, only the ones that there is no other chance of helping and even then, the odds are low and the longer you are on it the weaker your body gets and less likely will ever get off of it.

If you are put on a vent, you are sedated, then they will bring you out of sedation periodically remove the intubation and see if you can breath on your own..

It is pretty much a last ditch effort in spite of what some may say about better success with starting a vent early.

Most likely much better way to treat with meds, the problem is what meds to use, no one really knows what may work the best so it is trial and error at this point..

DRs at UPMC Pittsburgh just announced live clinical trials and the use of AI technology to attempt to log and discover what med(s) therapy may overall work the most effective.. May take some time though.

agesilaus wrote:
Something else is going on as they learn more about this disease. Apparently people are thinking that lung problems are not killing people like they assumed, the disease may damage the bloods ability to transport oxygen. You may notice that the governors have stopped screaming about respirators. That's because the MD's are backing away from putting people on a respirator in the first place.

I saw comments by a pulmonary specicilst doctor who pointed out that the prognosis for anyone going on a respirator is grim. Only a small percentage manages to get off one once they put you on one. And it should be saved as the absolute last resort.

From what I've read about problems with the respirators, it seems to be the accepted procedure by the CDC for treatment of respiratory diseases is not working with this virus. Apparently the accepted protocol is increased pressure, when the respiratory problems from this virus seem to respond better with lower pressure but higher oxygen concentration. There is some push back by practitioners to go against CDC procedure, with a fuss from the CDC about it.

agesilaus wrote:
Something else is going on as they learn more about this disease. Apparently people are thinking that lung problems are not killing people like they assumed, the disease may damage the bloods ability to transport oxygen. You may notice that the governors have stopped screaming about respirators. That's because the MD's are backing away from putting people on a respirator in the first place.

I saw comments by a pulmonary specicilst doctor who pointed out that the prognosis for anyone going on a respirator is grim. Only a small percentage manages to get off one once they put you on one. And it should be saved as the absolute last resort.

Our provincial medical authorities are saying they are getting better results by putting people on ventilators earlier, before they get so bad they have to be on one. So who knows. UK based Mercedes F1 teamed up with University of London hospital to reverse engineer CPAP machines for use as assisted breathing devices before a ventilator is needed. They are capable of cranking out 1000 of these a week at their engine building facility.

This seems to be a learning process for everyone.

Something else is going on as they learn more about this disease. Apparently people are thinking that lung problems are not killing people like they assumed, the disease may damage the bloods ability to transport oxygen. You may notice that the governors have stopped screaming about respirators. That's because the MD's are backing away from putting people on a respirator in the first place.

I saw comments by a pulmonary specicilst doctor who pointed out that the prognosis for anyone going on a respirator is grim. Only a small percentage manages to get off one once they put you on one. And it should be saved as the absolute last resort.

wilber1 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
98% of the people in the US survive the China Virus.

The current fatality rate is 3.5% of those infected, New York City is more than 6%. Even 2% of he population means over 6.5 million deaths.

You say 3.5% of those infected. What is the fatality percentage of the entire US population? I’m not a mathematician, but I’m certain it is a little lower than 3.5%!

agesilaus wrote:
That may be the rate for the people known to have the virus but it is well known that many people get it and never get sick enough to be hospitalized. I belive it was Minneapolis that tested sewage flow into the treatment plant and found that the number of people infected greatly exceeds the number known to be infected.

Furthermore the number of people being put down as having died from the virus is probably greatly inflated. If someone ends up hospitalized here for say heart failure and they get infected, the cause of death will be shown as WuFlu even tho the died from the heart problem. There are some that say that anyone dying in a hospital right now will be shown as dying from the WuFlu unless it's very obvious it was something else like trauma.

Yeah, we could end up showing a very low seasonal flu fatality rate this year because this virus will get the blame for what would have been labeled as a seasonal flu fatality.

wilber1 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
98% of the people in the US survive the China Virus.

The current fatality rate is 3.5% of those infected, New York City is more than 6%. Even 2% of he population means over 6.5 million deaths.

Again, how do you figure those percentages? They simply don't know how many people would test positive, so you don't know how many people actually have the virus. Without knowing the total numbers of infected, you can't know the percentage of fatalities. You're looking at total number of fatalities as a percentage of total tested. That is not a legitimate percentage to be taken seriously.

wilber1 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
98% of the people in the US survive the China Virus.

The current fatality rate is 3.5% of those infected, New York City is more than 6%. Even 2% of he population means over 6.5 million deaths.

That may be the rate for the people known to have the virus but it is well known that many people get it and never get sick enough to be hospitalized. I belive it was Minneapolis that tested sewage flow into the treatment plant and found that the number of people infected greatly exceeds the number known to be infected.

Furthermore the number of people being put down as having died from the virus is probably greatly inflated. If someone ends up hospitalized here for say heart failure and they get infected, the cause of death will be shown as WuFlu even tho the died from the heart problem. There are some that say that anyone dying in a hospital right now will be shown as dying from the WuFlu unless it's very obvious it was something else like trauma.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
98% of the people in the US survive the China Virus.

The current fatality rate is 3.5% of those infected, New York City is more than 6%. Even 2% of he population means over 6.5 million deaths.