tpi wrote:The negative I see is his journey is going to have to rely on the participation of others. Somewhere along he way they are going to have to charge their electric car at locations other than designated recharging stations.Grit dog wrote:
I guess it's not until the battery runs out 150clicks east of Brandon and the nearest "town" is a John Deere combine dealer. Or when winter is settin in and he's only halfway back home with another 2weeks to go to make that last 1500mi...
In all serious ness, like I said in an earlier post, it's a very novel concept. Not practical, but novel.
Sure and that is why you and I are using petroleum powered RVs. Because we don't have the luxury of the time or locations to charge. But like others, I can't see the negativity on this guy's trip. If he wants to do it, has the time I think it is great! He's most certainly using less fuel per mile than I am in my class C. A debate could be made about the electricity source and compare it to a diesel tow car which could pull the trailer along at over 20 MPG. I think this is future looking. How much power is from hydroelectric? How much solar and wind? Some form of nuclear which hasn't been invented or perfected? How much of that in the future? History has had lot of skeptics regarding new ideas. Lots of dead ends, lots of strikeouts. But successes too! Stuff we all take for granted.
smkettner wrote:We don't have any slots filled with Teslas. I was just pointing out the electrical grids of RV parks cannot accommodate electric vehicles. To do so would require the remaking of the entire electric system in the park and that would cost 100s of thousands of dollars. And I am not going to rent a site for $35.00 to charge a vehicle. I get much more than that renting that site to an RV and I don't have someone trying to kill 6 hours of idle time. I think my business is going to remain pretty much the same until my batteries are fully discharged. People will stay in my RV parks and will refuel/recharge their vehicles at a vehicle refueling/charging facility. But until charging times improves dramatically or the range of electric vehicles increases significantly, electric vehicles will not become practical for many of us. I often face a 300 plus round trip that has to be completed in a day, hauling a substantial load in my pickup, often towing a utility trailer. Current electric vehicles would turn that into a three or 4 day journey. Might as well get a horse and wagon team and use no fossil fuels.westernrvparkowner wrote:
Wow, I did a bit of research and some basic math and found out that the 50 AMP charger for a Tesla draws 40 amps at 240 volts (10 kw). Or to put it another way, 80 percent of the maximum available power at a 50 amp pedestal. Furthermore, a complete charge at that rate would take up to 7 hours. NEC allows 7 50 Amp pedestals per 200 amp service loop. 5 Teslas charging on that loop would take 100 percent of the available power for that entire loop, leaving the 7 RVs completely without power.
A complete charge for a Tesla would cost us around $7.00 (10 cents per kwh). It is our experience that a fully electric coach costs us around $5.00 per day in electrical costs, so the Tesla is nearly a 50 percent greater energy hog than a 45 foot Prevost (provided the Tesla only needed one charge that day. It is entirely possible that with it's 250 mile range a person could run it dry in the morning after charging all night and need another full recharge that same day). No way electric cars can share the current electrical grids in RV parks.
Share? If you have 5 out of 7 slots filled with Tesla I think your business is about to change.
But really why not allow ONE and charge him $35 to charge? (6 hour max) and send him on his way.
Grit dog wrote:
Or when winter is settin in and he's only halfway back home with another 2weeks to go to make that last 1500mi...
Homer wrote:
Funny how every one dwells on the negatives, when our mental prowess would be better spent on finding solutions. This is the future.
Grit dog wrote:
I guess it's not until the battery runs out 150clicks east of Brandon and the nearest "town" is a John Deere combine dealer. Or when winter is settin in and he's only halfway back home with another 2weeks to go to make that last 1500mi...
In all serious ness, like I said in an earlier post, it's a very novel concept. Not practical, but novel.
westernrvparkowner wrote:
Wow, I did a bit of research and some basic math and found out that the 50 AMP charger for a Tesla draws 40 amps at 240 volts (10 kw). Or to put it another way, 80 percent of the maximum available power at a 50 amp pedestal. Furthermore, a complete charge at that rate would take up to 7 hours. NEC allows 7 50 Amp pedestals per 200 amp service loop. 5 Teslas charging on that loop would take 100 percent of the available power for that entire loop, leaving the 7 RVs completely without power.
A complete charge for a Tesla would cost us around $7.00 (10 cents per kwh). It is our experience that a fully electric coach costs us around $5.00 per day in electrical costs, so the Tesla is nearly a 50 percent greater energy hog than a 45 foot Prevost (provided the Tesla only needed one charge that day. It is entirely possible that with it's 250 mile range a person could run it dry in the morning after charging all night and need another full recharge that same day). No way electric cars can share the current electrical grids in RV parks.
Old-Biscuit wrote:Gdetrailer wrote:tdiller wrote:
Only two things run on batteries...
Golf carts and
Toys.
Until a vehicle can go 3-400 miles on a charge and refill/recharge in five minutes and do it again and again all day it'll never sit in my garage.
X2
Cold hard reality that some folk refuse to believe is that electric vehicles are NOT NEW.. Nope, in the 1890s there were MORE electric vehicles on the road than internal combustion or even steam powered..
Cold hard reality, electric vehicles back then only could get about 25-50 miles of driving and took overnight to recharge..
One Pioneer of electric vehicles from the 1890s produced electric vehicles up to 1901, sold his company off and went to work for Locomobile to design their FIRST GASOLINE POWERED VEHICLE.. He saw the main down fall of electric vehicles was the batteries..
1980s saw a couple of electric vehicles on the market, but those also suffered from lack of distance and charging issues.
While battery tech has improved SLIGHTLY over the years it still is very weak compared to gas or diesel for distance, cost to own, maintenance and refueling.
Not to mention, the notion that electric vehicles are a "clean" mode of transportation is BS..
There IS far more "E" waste generated in the building of EV batteries..
Not to mention adding overhead to already weak electric grid..
Then there is the mere fact of the "pollution" of supposed lack of..
There IS NO FREE LUNCH, energy is energy, it is dirty no matter how far away it is generated..
With a 30 yr career 'generating' energy (power plant control operator) I always get a huge chuckle out of folks and "I'm going green and reducing my carbon foot print"
:B
tpi wrote:cause you'd have to drink heavily on a X country rv trip that you could bang out a whopping 125mi/day.
Why would that be stressful? If you have the time to spend, it sounds great to me!
Homer wrote:
Funny how every one dwells on the negatives, when our mental prowess would be better spent on finding solutions. This is the future.
Gdetrailer wrote:tdiller wrote:
Only two things run on batteries...
Golf carts and
Toys.
Until a vehicle can go 3-400 miles on a charge and refill/recharge in five minutes and do it again and again all day it'll never sit in my garage.
X2
Cold hard reality that some folk refuse to believe is that electric vehicles are NOT NEW.. Nope, in the 1890s there were MORE electric vehicles on the road than internal combustion or even steam powered..
Cold hard reality, electric vehicles back then only could get about 25-50 miles of driving and took overnight to recharge..
One Pioneer of electric vehicles from the 1890s produced electric vehicles up to 1901, sold his company off and went to work for Locomobile to design their FIRST GASOLINE POWERED VEHICLE.. He saw the main down fall of electric vehicles was the batteries..
1980s saw a couple of electric vehicles on the market, but those also suffered from lack of distance and charging issues.
While battery tech has improved SLIGHTLY over the years it still is very weak compared to gas or diesel for distance, cost to own, maintenance and refueling.
Not to mention, the notion that electric vehicles are a "clean" mode of transportation is BS..
There IS far more "E" waste generated in the building of EV batteries..
Not to mention adding overhead to already weak electric grid..
Then there is the mere fact of the "pollution" of supposed lack of..
There IS NO FREE LUNCH, energy is energy, it is dirty no matter how far away it is generated..
