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Turtle_n_Peeps
May 06, 2014Explorer
I have a M/H that's pre-2007, I suspect there's a few of us out there. Is there a government program I'm unaware of to subsidize the cost of buying a newer M/H so we can exploit this new technology?
None that I know of but lets do a little math to show you that maybe you won't need a new motorhome. Lets say your MH gets 7.5 MPG with straight gasoline. I've already shown you that several auto makers and the EPA say that the loss is 3 to 4%. At that rate it is .2 to .3 MPG! That is a POINT 2 to POINT 3 MPG loss. Now if .2 or .3 MPG make that much difference in economics of driving your motor home maybe RVing is not for you? Maybe it's time to get out of the game?
Can you please address my example wherein I showed on the '1,000 mile drive' you burned more fuel and made more pollution with E15 than without?
I thought I already did? Let me try again. If you have an engine burning straight gasoline that emits 10PPM CO and you go and put 10% ethanol in the mix that same engine will now emit 7.5PPM CO. A 25% reduction in smog! :E That is HUGE!! That same engine will reduce HC's to 9.5PPM. A 5% reduction in another type of smog. That is also HUGE!
'Smog machines' are more "tests", they don't mean much in the 'real world' we live in.
WT@%^^&??? Are you kidding me? What are we suppose to do? Guess? Ouija Board? Tarot cards? Or look and say, "that one looks good". "That one doesn't." LMAO A smog machine is a scientific way (and only way)to measuring smog causing chemicals and gases.
BTW, none of this addresses the fact that it takes the equivalent of 1.3 gallons of gasoline (in pollution equivalent) to make 1 gallon of Ethanol which even then is only the equivalent to 0.66 gallons of gasoline.
So, in the end, it takes the equivalent of 2 gallons of gasoline to replace 1 gallon of gasoline. Hmmmmm.
Aaaaaaaaaaa let me take a stab at this one more time. The idea and goal is to reduce smog causing gases and chemicals. Let me give you an example of how I can burn many, many, many gallons of gas and be super clean with almost no smog and air pollution and you can burn less than a pint of gas and cause waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more smog pollution.
This means I can drive my (insert any gas hog of your choice) Hummer for 40 hours and I will pollute just as much as you riding your lawn mower for 1 hour!!! Link
In short, if one burns a clean fuel(ethanol)one can burn a lot more gallons of this type of fuel and cause the same amount of amount of air pollution than burning a small amount of a dirty fuel.
And now I have to go out and place my ouija board on my car to see how much smog it is making in the real world! :B
None that I know of but lets do a little math to show you that maybe you won't need a new motorhome. Lets say your MH gets 7.5 MPG with straight gasoline. I've already shown you that several auto makers and the EPA say that the loss is 3 to 4%. At that rate it is .2 to .3 MPG! That is a POINT 2 to POINT 3 MPG loss. Now if .2 or .3 MPG make that much difference in economics of driving your motor home maybe RVing is not for you? Maybe it's time to get out of the game?
Can you please address my example wherein I showed on the '1,000 mile drive' you burned more fuel and made more pollution with E15 than without?
I thought I already did? Let me try again. If you have an engine burning straight gasoline that emits 10PPM CO and you go and put 10% ethanol in the mix that same engine will now emit 7.5PPM CO. A 25% reduction in smog! :E That is HUGE!! That same engine will reduce HC's to 9.5PPM. A 5% reduction in another type of smog. That is also HUGE!
'Smog machines' are more "tests", they don't mean much in the 'real world' we live in.
WT@%^^&??? Are you kidding me? What are we suppose to do? Guess? Ouija Board? Tarot cards? Or look and say, "that one looks good". "That one doesn't." LMAO A smog machine is a scientific way (and only way)to measuring smog causing chemicals and gases.
BTW, none of this addresses the fact that it takes the equivalent of 1.3 gallons of gasoline (in pollution equivalent) to make 1 gallon of Ethanol which even then is only the equivalent to 0.66 gallons of gasoline.
So, in the end, it takes the equivalent of 2 gallons of gasoline to replace 1 gallon of gasoline. Hmmmmm.
Aaaaaaaaaaa let me take a stab at this one more time. The idea and goal is to reduce smog causing gases and chemicals. Let me give you an example of how I can burn many, many, many gallons of gas and be super clean with almost no smog and air pollution and you can burn less than a pint of gas and cause waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more smog pollution.
CEPA, ARB wrote:
A gasoline-powered lawn mower run for an hour puts out about the same amount of smog-forming emissions as 40 new automobiles run for an hour.
This means I can drive my (insert any gas hog of your choice) Hummer for 40 hours and I will pollute just as much as you riding your lawn mower for 1 hour!!! Link
In short, if one burns a clean fuel(ethanol)one can burn a lot more gallons of this type of fuel and cause the same amount of amount of air pollution than burning a small amount of a dirty fuel.
And now I have to go out and place my ouija board on my car to see how much smog it is making in the real world! :B
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