ethanol

mowermech wrote:
What does the rumor say they will use to replace it?
There has to be an anti-knock additive. Tetra-Ethyl lead can not be used.

They outlawed MTBE as well as lead. Since 90. 91 & 93 octane non-ethanol gasoline is available at some stations, there is some additive out there but I don't know what it is.

Instead-O-Lead...

Corn liquor isn't going anywhere. In fact they want to raise it from 10% to 15% by volume.

I farm and I'm here to tell you that there is very little money in e-corn but I won't get into it on this forum. Not the place to.

Suffice to say that what people think and what it actually is, is 2 very different things. People think their food comes from the grocery store too.

All it is, is a 10 % filler of liquid in the gallon of gas that does nothing good.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

get an oil burner and there isn't an issue

mowermech wrote:
What does the rumor say they will use to replace it?
There has to be an anti-knock additive. Tetra-Ethyl lead can not be used. I don't remember what the first thing that replaced the lead was, but it turned out to be nearly as poisonous as the lead.
I'll believe the alcohol will go away when I see it happen.

why do you need something to replace it? 87 and 91 octane non ethanol is available in most places, and no it does not use lead or MTBE. just depends on the refinining and cracking process they use at the refinery.

yes, ethanol can be used to raise octane, but it isn't the only option available.

ORbiker wrote:
All it is, is a 10 % filler of liquid in the gallon of gas that does nothing good.

Well, besides than increasing the octane (and so permitting higher compression ratios) and absorbing modest amounts of water that might otherwise freeze the gas line in winter, I guess it does not do much good.

Ethanol in itself is not a terrible fuel, though of course modern car and truck engines are not typically designed to operate on it. It's generally stable, reasonably safe to handle, and compared to many other alternatives is less toxic and more readily produced.

Mind you, that's not to suggest that the current policies about its use in motor fuels are necessarily good or bad...that's an entirely different discussion from whether ethanol can serve very useful purposes as an additive in gas.

mowermech wrote:
What does the rumor say they will use to replace it?
There has to be an anti-knock additive. Tetra-Ethyl lead can not be used. I don't remember what the first thing that replaced the lead was, but it turned out to be nearly as poisonous as the lead.
I'll believe the alcohol will go away when I see it happen.

Didn't say. ethanol didn't replace leaded gas. Alcohol was put in gas years ago, and did no good. Was finally removed. Until touchy feely Gov officials wanted to pretend like they cared, and it was put back in. It cuts no pollution, and actually causes more, because you have to burn more of it to do what gas with out it will already do. Just another useless program we have to pay for

Take a trip down memory lane about Corn and Ethanol.

It was huge. I know in the Wisconsin area ethanol plants where cropping up all over taking farmers land by eminent domain. Protests were everywhere.

The gov had a grandeur plan. Big money maker for the farm bill. Plant corn and make ethanol. Pay farmers more to plant for ethanol than to plant and sell for food. And market it as renewable because you can keep on growing corn.

My neighbor at the time went from planting thousands of acres of alfalfa to all corn to jump on the big money band wagon. Those that remember, it also sent prices of any food product with corn in it right off the charts.

I was back up north awhile back and ALL of the ethanol plants that did get built, and some just starting to be built, are all abandon, vacant, and decaying.

That's the back story of ethanol. The big money plan boomed and bust years ago and taking years to trickle down. And they finally found out that if all the farmers planted corn for ethanol it wouldn't make a dent in reducing fossil fuel consumption.

""Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 Btu." * Ethanol from corn costs about $1.74 per gallon to produce, compared with about 95 cents to produce a gallon of gasoline.""

Has any one heard the rumor that they may stop forcing us to buy gas with ethanol in it? I read the program may be stopped.

I don't know where you live but here in Florida I have a gas station down the road that has had 2 'ethanol free' gas pumps for years.

Would be fine with me...
Having to drop an extra 50c a gallon for no E premium s ucks, but I only use it as needed. Would be great to have no E regular again.