Giving back... to the National Park

When CA closed parks, they locked the gates and everybody left, well everybody but the thieves. A lot of RVers volunteered to stay a parks and monitor their use while closed. CA legislature declined and one of our favorites Mitchell Caverns was trashed and stripped of valuable equipment. It happened to other parks too.

The State of CA and in my opinion, the Feds are using this to blackmail us the users, into taking sides. There are a lot of stated reasons why they don't let us help and the lamest is the Workman's Compensation Laws. Why can't they read the definition of volunteer. We want to do it for the future, we're offering to pay forward.

wrktfsh wrote:
I love our national parks but I do scratch my head over volunteering to clean up something the guv has decided we need to pay to enter and enjoy.
I know this will rub some the wrong way. But it is what it is

And that's why it's called volunteer. It is for the willing.

D.E.Bishop wrote:
When CA closed parks, they locked the gates and everybody left, well everybody but the thieves. A lot of RVers volunteered to stay a parks and monitor their use while closed. CA legislature declined and one of our favorites Mitchell Caverns was trashed and stripped of valuable equipment. It happened to other parks too.

The State of CA and in my opinion, the Feds are using this to blackmail us the users, into taking sides. There are a lot of stated reasons why they don't let us help and the lamest is the Workman's Compensation Laws. Why can't they read the definition of volunteer. We want to do it for the future, we're offering to pay forward.

Blame our litigious society. Even volunteers are effectively on employee-employer-contractor implied agreement and thus need some kind of work and day to day safety supervisions.

I have a friend who is a bird watcher and goes to Valley Forge National park often. She recently posted pictures on Facebook showing the park is very clean. I guess it depends where the National parks are located.

RGar974417 wrote:
I have a friend who is a bird watcher and goes to Valley Forge National park often. She recently posted pictures on Facebook showing the park is very clean. I guess it depends where the National parks are located.

Probably mostly depends on the numbers of visitors rather than location. Of course warmer locations will get more visitors this time of year, and more visitors will mean more mess.

2112 wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:
I find it amazing how much people are inconsiderate pigs today. It's the 'me too' thing.

I'm sorry but I can't let this slide,
You obviously have no idea what Me Too is about. Please read THIS. Are women being sexually harassed in the NP now?

Yeah, that comment made no sense.

It's funny how many people complained when Obama closed the National Parks during the shutdown in 2013 and are now praising Trump for keeping them open, but are also complaining about the lack of staff to clean up the mess.

What did you think would happen? Who is going to staff the parks during the shutdown? How are they going to get paid? Who is going to work without a paycheck?

People are pigs. Have you driven around any country roads lately? They are littered with trash, and it doesn't matter which state you are in.

IndyCamp wrote:

2112 wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:
I find it amazing how much people are inconsiderate pigs today. It's the 'me too' thing.

I'm sorry but I can't let this slide,
You obviously have no idea what Me Too is about. Please read THIS. Are women being sexually harassed in the NP now?

Yeah, that comment made no sense.

It's funny how many people complained when Obama closed the National Parks during the shutdown in 2013 and are now praising Trump for keeping them open, but are also complaining about the lack of staff to clean up the mess.

What did you think would happen? Who is going to staff the parks during the shutdown? How are they going to get paid? Who is going to work without a paycheck?

People are pigs. Have you driven around any country roads lately? They are littered with trash, and it doesn't matter which state you are in.

It takes education from day one to teach kids respect for their environment
https://youtu.be/jv4oNvxCY5k
Try it here and parents would sue the school for child abuse no doubt

And the result is this,people take their garbage home as there are no trash bins anywhere
https://youtu.be/zn_iMgXNB_E


https://youtu.be/QuWp3gTrpV0

IndyCamp wrote:

2112 wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:
I find it amazing how much people are inconsiderate pigs today. It's the 'me too' thing.

I'm sorry but I can't let this slide,
You obviously have no idea what Me Too is about. Please read THIS. Are women being sexually harassed in the NP now?

Yeah, that comment made no sense.

It's funny how many people complained when Obama closed the National Parks during the shutdown in 2013 and are now praising Trump for keeping them open, but are also complaining about the lack of staff to clean up the mess.

What did you think would happen? Who is going to staff the parks during the shutdown? How are they going to get paid? Who is going to work without a paycheck?

People are pigs. Have you driven around any country roads lately? They are littered with trash, and it doesn't matter which state you are in.

Must be from ignorance. MeToo movement has inspired people globally even in countries where women were treated as property and thus no rights. Yup, even in Saudi Arabia.

Update, there are smaller national parks where volunteers are doing a good job.

It looks like it's just going to get worst (trashy),..plus a lot more people will lose their jobs. I'm cutting back on spending, getting ready for whatever happens. I've already talked to friends in New Mexico about staying on their property in the summer.

Thank you Yosemite Sam!. If we could we would join in this volunteer effort, and will in the spring if needed. For those who think we should not volunteer because we pay to enter, I disagree. Our Nat'l Parks are this country's greatest treasure and we must protect them.

"Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt." John Muir