Got plenty of Propane ?

john&bet wrote:

DiskDoctr wrote:
Simple solution. Propane suppliers want to gouge? Switch over to CNG.

We are over $5/gal here in Western PA.

Let them make their blood money while people are trying not to die in freakishly cold weather, then they can choke on it when we remember who screwed us and we choose not to patronize them...or their industry if we can help it.

Anyone know the possibilities of converting rv appliances to CNG?

I do not believe it is as simple as you let on. At least for us out way from big cities.

It may not be, but here's the thinking on this one.

1. CNG involves compressing natural gas for storage and use similar to propane. CNG vehicles exist already, as do home compressors for people who want to use natural gas to fill their cars.

2. Converting *some* appliance from natural gas to propane and vice versa already exists. Sometimes it is only adjusting an orifice, sometimes replacing an orifice, sometimes (like the Bosch rangetop I just installed for DW) it involves changing the orifice AND the venturi tube (some stoves have adjustable air supply)

3. CNG has (less, IIRC?) BTU's per volume than propane.

4. Vapor gas burning is simply a matter of volume of gas and volume of air mixture, so theoretically, even appliances not designed for conversion *could* be converted, simply a matter of effort and/or expense of orifice/air parts.

Like most people, I really hate being screwed. IF there is a practical way to get out from under the unscrupulous thumbs of gougers, I am all for it.

As I said, a lot of work was done in the past in an attempt to make CNG compete with propane, but propane was so cheap. Now it is not.

Maybe time to dust off the innovations?

Nothing would please me more to see someone who gouges lose not only their advantage, but their entire market. :D

DiskDoctr wrote:
Simple solution. Propane suppliers want to gouge? Switch over to CNG.

We are over $5/gal here in Western PA.

Let them make their blood money while people are trying not to die in freakishly cold weather, then they can choke on it when we remember who screwed us and we choose not to patronize them...or their industry if we can help it.

Anyone know the possibilities of converting rv appliances to CNG?

I do not believe it is as simple as you let on. At least for us out way from big cities.

My friend that has a wood burner in his house is laughing at all of us now. Epically since last spring we had a big ice storm that knocked down many branches and even whole trees so he got all the wood for free. He did have so cut some of it up and split most of it though.

And yes, I've seen little wood burners that you can put in your RV. I wouldn't want to do it but, they do have them.

Some appliances can be converted from propane to CNG, some can't. Some require a simple adjustment, some require different gas jets.
There is a good chance RV appliances would be in the "can't do it" group, but I don't know.
Also, seems to me a tank of CNG would last much less time than a tank of liquid propane.
Where would one go to get a propane tank emptied, flushed, and filled with CNG?
Can a propane tank be filled with CNG? Isn't CNG pressure greater than propane pressure?
For me, where I live, converting to CNG would be a bad mistake! The infrastructure to support such a change simply does not exist around here.

Simple solution. Propane suppliers want to gouge? Switch over to CNG.

We are over $5/gal here in Western PA.

Let them make their blood money while people are trying not to die in freakishly cold weather, then they can choke on it when we remember who screwed us and we choose not to patronize them...or their industry if we can help it.

Anyone know the possibilities of converting rv appliances to CNG?

pkunk wrote:
I filled my 500 gal tank in Sept. for $2.03 a gal. Monday I had it filled at $3.02. Cost me almost $1100. Winter has been cold but not like up north. I'm paying for the folks in the cold belt to get their propane. I can buy gas cheaper-to bad it won't work in my appliances.

Here in NoDak, I did my summer fill last July for a $1.09 and now it is around $4.00 and possibly going up to $5.00. Topped off my 500 gallon tank about 3 weeks ago for $2.19. Going up at nearly warp speed.

I hate to say it, but climate change/warming has been going on for millions of years......:R

I filled my 500 gal tank in Sept. for $2.03 a gal. Monday I had it filled at $3.02. Cost me almost $1100. Winter has been cold but not like up north. I'm paying for the folks in the cold belt to get their propane. I can buy gas cheaper-to bad it won't work in my appliances.

westend wrote:
OK, but which nightmare is worse, the one where your lawn mower is hard to start or the one where the sky is so full of burnt fossil fuel that your children can't breathe, climate change increases so that all the crops fail, and ocean temperatures go so far up that coastal areas are under water?

The first one.

:):)

So much information. So few facts!