Imagine this- a small or midsize SUV, wagon or sedan equipped from the factory with a "toad package", including:-Tow bar bracket receivers installed to accommodate major tow bar brands.-Fully integrated braking that takes an input signal from your motorhome's electric brake controller. ABS on the toad would be fully functional.-A factory installed 7 pin receiver in front for lighting, brakes and keeping the toad battery charged.-A "connection mode" where after initial setup you pull up behind the motorhome, push a button, and your toad automatically positions itself perfectly for easy tow bar connection.-All related components would be covered by the vehicle warranty, of course.-No speed or distance restrictions for towing. Any procedures required for towing, such as shifting, etc., would be accomplished automatically when in "connection mode".All of the required technology exists today. So, how much would you pay for all of this as an option? $3000, $4000, more?

Come up with being able to use the toad as a helper engine for the hills and you might be on to something.I doubt if the auto industry is interested in spending the money for R & D for such a limited market.

RedRollingRoadblock wrote:I doubt if the auto industry is interested in spending the money for R & D for such a limited market.X2. I don't think they would want the additional liability.

I think ford has neutral tow on the menu on the dash in some vehicles. That's a start.

K Charles wrote:I think ford has neutral tow on the menu on the dash in some vehicles.Maybe it's because Ford vehicles are towed often? :B

No market in this family, simply because I have no intention of buying another vehicle for the rest of my life.In fact, I might just sell the Subaru Forester we recently bought. Great car, just don't really need it.The Jeep is, of course, for towing behind the motorhome.The PT Cruiser convertible is just fun to drive, and very capable in the winter.the truck tows and hauls nearly everything.The '66 Chevelle satisfies my desire for a car without computers and/or air bags.Nope, I just don't need a vehicle as described in the first post.

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Reisender
Nomad
Aug 04, 2019
time2roll wrote:
I would pay your price if it was an electric vehicle.

You beat me to it. I’m not sure what the engineering challenges are but it would be very cool. Preferably something like a model Y or Eplus that sits a little higher.
JRscooby
Explorer II
Aug 04, 2019
Reisender wrote:
time2roll wrote:
I would pay your price if it was an electric vehicle.

You beat me to it. I’m not sure what the engineering challenges are but it would be very cool. Preferably something like a model Y or Eplus that sits a little higher.

And with electric, I think it would be fairly easy to turn the power on, help push up hills, and this could/would discharge the batteries so the drive motors could be used to slow the combination.
rjstractor
Nomad
Aug 04, 2019
westernrvparkowner wrote:
Any such system from a manufacturer would assuredly also include an interface with the odometer that would record those miles the vehicle was towed. That would mean the warranty would expire much quicker for many owners Adding to the overall cost.
With the current 360 degree cameras any alignment system is redundant. Towbar brackets are not universal, so any system would need to have either to have options for the different tow bars or require the purchase/ownership of specific brands and models.
As for cost, it would need to be comparable at least to the cost of aftermarket, and likely less since you couldn't take the components with you when you change out to another vehicle. Finasly, for it to be practical for the RV market, it would need to be offered over a range of vehicles since different people want different types of toweds. Some want tough off road vehicles like jeeps. Some want small econo boxes, some want maximum people capacity, some want luxury, some want sporty, and some want to tow trucks with cargo beds filled with toys.
That is my long analysis, my short version is it isn't even remotely going to happen.

I think you are right. I didn't consider that the OEMs would record towing mileage and of course count that against the warranty. With the cost of R&D the OEMs probably would not have enough take rate to bother with it.
Reisender
Nomad
Aug 04, 2019
JRscooby wrote:
Reisender wrote:
time2roll wrote:
I would pay your price if it was an electric vehicle.

You beat me to it. I’m not sure what the engineering challenges are but it would be very cool. Preferably something like a model Y or Eplus that sits a little higher.

And with electric, I think it would be fairly easy to turn the power on, help push up hills, and this could/would discharge the batteries so the drive motors could be used to slow the combination.

There would be some funky engineering for the tow bar to be able to push though. Neat idea though.
Mr_Mark1
Explorer
Aug 04, 2019
Well, I would certainly pay the $3K-$4K if I could order a car with that package. I paid $5K for my current set-up that included the new baseplate and installation, AF-One supplemental braking system and installation and a new Roadmaster tow bar for the coach (tax included in price).

It would take less labor if done at the factory before the front-end was put on.

I have a front camera built-in under the 'Lincoln emblem' in the grill to help me line the car up to the tow bar. When I hit the button, the Lincoln emblem pops out exposing the camera.

The 'Neutral Tow Mode' in the instrument cluster is an easy set-up. A few hits toggling through the menu, you are ready to go. And, the display tells you 'Neutral Tow Engaged'.

Safe travels,
MM.
SidecarFlip
Explorer III
Aug 04, 2019
Was thumbing through the owners manual for my wife's Suburban last night and came across a section devoted to flat towing a burb. Dang thing is bigger than most RV's but just think of all the extra storage space. Pretty simple setup. Add an aftermarket tow bar, put the transfer case in neutral, add tow lights and hook up and away you go with no hassle, no speed limitation or distance towed.
JRscooby
Explorer II
Aug 04, 2019
Reisender wrote:
JRscooby wrote:

And with electric, I think it would be fairly easy to turn the power on, help push up hills, and this could/would discharge the batteries so the drive motors could be used to slow the combination.

There would be some funky engineering for the tow bar to be able to push though. Neat idea though.

I have never used a RV towbar. Just half watching somebody hook up it looked like they parked the car behind MH, telescoped bars out to reach, hooked, then moved until fully extended to lock. Make bars longer, (And yes heavier) extend to hook, the lock the bars as short as will go. Not rocket surgery...
The self-driving feature would simplify, just need to override the front collision avoidance feature.
Ever wonder why the coal trains may have a engine in the back third?
Reisender
Nomad
Aug 04, 2019
JRscooby wrote:
Reisender wrote:
JRscooby wrote:

And with electric, I think it would be fairly easy to turn the power on, help push up hills, and this could/would discharge the batteries so the drive motors could be used to slow the combination.

There would be some funky engineering for the tow bar to be able to push though. Neat idea though.

I have never used a RV towbar. Just half watching somebody hook up it looked like they parked the car behind MH, telescoped bars out to reach, hooked, then moved until fully extended to lock. Make bars longer, (And yes heavier) extend to hook, the lock the bars as short as will go. Not rocket surgery...
The self-driving feature would simplify, just need to override the front collision avoidance feature.
Ever wonder why the coal trains may have a engine in the back third?

Yah I suppose. Never thought of it. Pretty soon we’ll see million dollar pushers being pushed up the hill by...you know...100 thousand dollar Tesla pushers.
valhalla360
Navigator
Aug 05, 2019
Reisender wrote:
There would be some funky engineering for the tow bar to be able to push though. Neat idea though.

With the car in towing mode, you could simply apply 75% of the power needed to compensate for the steepness of the hill. This way the tow bars would always be under tension but would reduce the load on the MH engine by 2500-3000lb.

On the downhill, you could engage the regenerative braking to help slow down the rig and top up the battery.
time2roll
Nomad
Aug 05, 2019
valhalla360 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
There would be some funky engineering for the tow bar to be able to push though. Neat idea though.

With the car in towing mode, you could simply apply 75% of the power needed to compensate for the steepness of the hill. This way the tow bars would always be under tension but would reduce the load on the MH engine by 2500-3000lb.

On the downhill, you could engage the regenerative braking to help slow down the rig and top up the battery.
I would think a surge system for the speed control would work to create a neutral push/pull from the toad.

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