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GordonThree wrote:
I used to speed like mad as a kid, I grew out of it. Nothing's that important that getting there a little early makes any difference to me. Unless you're speeding at double the limit, you're won't be getting there much ahead of me "puttering" along at the speed limit.
Rolling road blocks used to bug me, as a kid I'd want to do at least 20 over whatever the speed limit was. Now, they can just roll on, water off a ducks back. Road rage isn't good for the ticker or the pocket book.
So you admit you would have been one of the road rage people when idiots block the road but you expect the next generation to be immune to it?
Does that make any sense to you?pnichols wrote:
The above is baloney thinking.
How about more enforcement of speed limits and way stiffer fines for the caught speed law violators? Maybe more (expensive) law enforcement officers and their vehicles is not required. Maybe it's instead way cheaper and better to use license plate reading radar detectors installed all over the country to slow drivers down.
Enforcement doesn't work. Drivers (as a group) are very good at determining an appropriate speed and short of permanent ongoing enforcement, you won't have any impact on the long term average speed. It will go down while heavy enforcement is in place but as soon as you stop, it will go right back up.
Worse, those familiar with the heavy enforcement may slow down but those not familiar will try to continue at reasonable speeds.
The old slogan "speed kills" is flat out wrong. It's "differential speed kills". Heavy enforcement tends to increase differential speeds.valhalla360 wrote:
DutchmenSport wrote:
The article says no where how fast or slow this offender was going. If the "offender" was traveling the speed limit, then this office is completely wrong. Speed limit is that THAT .... L I M I T!!!! Any lane. Now, I can see if the speed limit is 65 and the offender is traveling 40 in the "fast lane." Then yes, there is justification. But if the "offender is traveling 65, she was not wrong ... EVERYONE ELSE IS. But YOU are probably one of those who think the law doesn't mean anything either! Drive any speed you want as long as you don't get a ticket! WRONG! You are still breaking the law!
The few times I've had to drive I-465 around Indianapolis, I've been caught in a whirwind of traffic. The speed LIMIT is 55, all the way around I-465 (Indianapolis). In order to keep from getting run over, I had to travel 85 in the SLOW lane! I finally said... SCREW THIS and slowed to 55 (in the right lane), and I swear everyone zoomed by me like I was standing still. AND THE L I M I T is 55!
Nope, even if you are going the limit, lane discipline laws say you must be in the right lane unless passing.
If she was hanging out in the left lane and not passing at the speed limit, she was very much a danger on the road. She was creating far more of a danger than drivers simply keeping up with traffic.
PS: If everyone is going faster than the speed limit, the speed limit is set incorrectly. The Institute of Traffic Engineers recommended practice is to take the 85th percentile speed and round to the nearest 5mph when setting the speed limit. If 90% of traffic is exceeding the speed limit, it's not the 90% of drivers that are in the wrong, it's the officials setting the speed limit that are wrong.
Okay I've got to take vahalla360 to task too, ITE is neither the legislature, law enforcement, insurance companies nor good common sense. A "recommended" practice, sounds suspiciously like a vague and unsubstantiated practice that a "professional would use to CYA. Common sense over rules that practice anytime.GordonThree wrote:
Why is everyone in such a darn hurry?
If you aren't in a hurry, why not move over and make the road safer?gbopp wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
PS: If everyone is going faster than the speed limit, the speed limit is set incorrectly. The Institute of Traffic Engineers recommended practice is to take the 85th percentile speed and round to the nearest 5mph when setting the speed limit. If 90% of traffic is exceeding the speed limit, it's not the 90% of drivers that are in the wrong, it's the officials setting the speed limit that are wrong.
I've read this many times in the past. If the theory is correct, most Interstate Highway speed limits should be posted at 90 MPH and, 15 MPH school zones would eliminated. :B
Before during and after the 55mph limit, 85th percentile freeway speeds have run around 72mph.
15MPH school zones are wrong. They will typically have 95% or better violation rates unless heavily enforced. Slower doesn't necessarily mean safer.GordonThree wrote:
I've got mixed feelings about left-lane laws.
Around here, the right lanes are usually beat to heck with patches and other bumps, and the less used left lane is smoother sailing...GordonThree wrote:
How is driving the speed limit considered enforcing it?
Why is everyone in such a darn hurry?GordonThree wrote:
Seems like you're beginning to recognize yourself here?
I used to speed like mad as a kid, I grew out of it. Nothing's that important that getting there a little early makes any difference to me. Unless you're speeding at double the limit, you're won't be getting there much ahead of me "puttering" along at the speed limit...path1 wrote:
WOW. WOW. WOW.
Getting heated up here. Settle down some. I got same type of ticket. Went to fight it in court but I'm so slow I missed my court date.
It's a joke folks.
LOL! Got a good laugh out of me this morning! :B- Since I'm retired I'm just not in that much of a hurry, does not give me the right to impede traffic. When pulling the trailer set cruise at 70. Solo seldom drive more then 5 mph over the limit.
What aggravates me is two semi's with governour's that drive side by side for miles on end below the speed limit. You think it will eventually get far enough in front to pull back in the lane. Then they hit a hill and the other semi catches back up and the process starts all over again. GordonThree wrote:
How is driving the speed limit considered enforcing it?
Why is everyone in such a darn hurry?
Lol^. Maybe I'll feel the same when I retire (doubt it) but when you're racking up 1000mi a week just commuting, working 60+ and still trying to not miss whatever the kids have going on that night, it adds up.
Funny story. Anyone from around here can attest that the I5 corridor area up here houses probably the largest number of self centered, clueless, un qualified or just plain SLOW drivers of any metropolitan area in the country.
Soo, we're down inSoCal for spring break and cruising back from LA to SanDiego about 10pm one night. Traffic is cruising along about 80 mph nice n comfortable like and we're in the carpool lane. All of a sudden Cars in front of us slow down quickly to about 55, just in the hov Lane. I comment to the wife n kids, "must be a Seattle driver up there."
No chit, the car driving illegally with no passengers in the hov Lane is a crunchy granola encrusted Subaru with a driver and dog in the car and Oregon plates and a keep Portland weird window sticker! Nailed it!!2edgesword wrote:
The issue wasn't her speed but where she was. Even if she is doing the speed, and technically no one is suppose to be going faster then her (assuming her speedometer is correct), the left lane is for passing.
One exception to this is in the HOV lane. If you're in the HOV lane and doing the speed limit you don't have the option (at least not immediately) to move over and let vehicles behind you pass. The speed limit on the road I travel to work is 55mph. I'll be doing 65 ~ 70 mph and still have people on my tail "pushing" to go even faster.
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