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DutchmenSport wrote:
The article says no where how fast or slow this offender was going. If the "offender" was traveling the speed limit, then this office is completely wrong. Speed limit is that THAT .... L I M I T!!!! Any lane. Now, I can see if the speed limit is 65 and the offender is traveling 40 in the "fast lane." Then yes, there is justification. But if the "offender is traveling 65, she was not wrong ... EVERYONE ELSE IS. But YOU are probably one of those who think the law doesn't mean anything either! Drive any speed you want as long as you don't get a ticket! WRONG! You are still breaking the law!
The few times I've had to drive I-465 around Indianapolis, I've been caught in a whirwind of traffic. The speed LIMIT is 55, all the way around I-465 (Indianapolis). In order to keep from getting run over, I had to travel 85 in the SLOW lane! I finally said... SCREW THIS and slowed to 55 (in the right lane), and I swear everyone zoomed by me like I was standing still. AND THE L I M I T is 55!
So public safety is secondary to speed limit signs dictated by porch sitters?
Law is if you are holding up traffic you have to move over regardless of what speed others are traveling.
I quit traveling the Interstate around her as Semi Drivers and People with the idea the lane is theirs and by God they are not moving over.
If you flash your lights, the proper thing to do to get them to move they ignore it and even call the Troopers.pnichols wrote:
Huuuuuuh? (If you're referring to me.)
I stay out of left lanes on multi-lane highways ... to many crazies out there. And I could drive out there if I thought it was "right" ... I've owned a sports car and driven one of the wildest ones ever built ... so I know how to speed.
What about two lane roads and highways? We have a right and responsibility to obey the speed laws on two lane roadways without tail-gaters indangering their and our lives and without their you-know-what finger solutes as they finally speed too fast past us as soon as they can get away with it in no-passing double yellow line areas.
Good grief. :h
You are correct, I thought you were one justifying deliberately slowing down traffic hanging out in the left lane because you were doing the speed limit. But it looks like this thread has evolved to the speed limit debate not proper lane usage.pnichols wrote:
You like going slow, it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, and safer, even if you're not. I like going faster than you, it also makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.fj12ryder wrote:
Like you said your opinion is a sample size of 1, basically meaningless.
An opinion isn't worth anything to anyone if the reasoning behind it isn't sound ... regardless of sample size.
I'm curious ... what's the reasoning behind yours for going fast ... and what's wrong with the reasoning behind mine for going within the law?
And I am a scofflaw, I have been known to jaywalk, not wait for the lights to cross a street, take more than 10 items to the express lane at the supermarket, will sometimes run over my time on a parking meter and not add more money, I don't always voluntarily pay my sales tax for online purchases as all good droogies should do, I've been known to ride my bike the wrong way down a one-way street, I consistently run a 4-way stop in my neighborhood, I'm just not a lock-step kind of guy.
Honestly I don't consider all regulations equal. Speed limit signs should be correctly labeled as speed suggestions.
And, again, as far as the people who pass you unsafely, it's not the speed, it's the poor driving skills.
Incidentally, an opinion doesn't have to have any reasoning behind it, none at all. In my opinion 100 degrees is hot, some people don't feel that way, but they are entitled to their opinion.- Huuuuuuh? (If you're referring to me.)
I stay out of left lanes on multi-lane highways ... to many crazies out there. And I could drive out there if I thought it was "right" ... I've owned a sports car and driven one of the wildest ones ever built ... so I know how to speed.
What about two lane roads and highways? We have a right and responsibility to obey the speed laws on two lane roadways without tail-gaters indangering their and our lives and without their you-know-what finger solutes as they finally speed too fast past us as soon as they can get away with it in no-passing double yellow line areas.
Good grief. :h pnichols wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Like you said your opinion is a sample size of 1, basically meaningless.
An opinion isn't worth anything to anyone if the reasoning behind it isn't sound ... regardless of sample size.
I'm curious ... what's the reasoning behind yours for going fast ... and what's wrong with the reasoning behind mine for going within the law?
That is the fallacy of your argument. If you are not obeying the left lane requirement you are also breaking the law. You just feel you are more justified in your infraction.fj12ryder wrote:
Like you said your opinion is a sample size of 1, basically meaningless.
An opinion isn't worth anything to anyone if the reasoning behind it isn't sound ... regardless of sample size.
I'm curious ... what's the reasoning behind yours for going fast ... and what's wrong with the reasoning behind mine for going within the law?- Yeah, we get it: you don't like to go very fast. Fine, stay in the right lane and don't pay any attention to those of us who want, and like, to go faster than you do. Like you said your opinion is a sample size of 1, basically meaningless.
And I'll let my opinion cancel out yours: I like to drive at a brisk pace when I'm on the bike, but I'm only 69 so I may slow down as I get older. Until then stay outta my way and we'll both be happy. Turtle n Peeps wrote:
So let me get this straight. You've come close to having a tie-rod separate and you have had a wheel and an axel fall off on one of your vehicles?
Sounds like you REALLY need to step up your maintenance on the vehicles you own!
Nope and nope.
My first example incident was back in late 1950's when driving an old borrowed car while going across rough railroad tracks.
My second example incident was when working my way through college on $1.10 per hour part time while also trying to keep an old MGA daily driver going with a known axle retainer clip problem in my model that was not so well known.
"Proper maintenance" does not negate the laws of physics or the known failure rate principles of complex systems ... and it certainaly does not justify taking too much for granted so as to be able to justify going fast ... and good luck with one's trust in whoever is (including one's self) doing the so-called proper maintenance. By the way, proper maintenance to ensure safety at high speeds also presupposes that the basic software and hardware design of one's vehicle is also covering ALL non-maintenance issues to ensure safety at high speeds ... good luck on presupposing/assuming that.
I'm willing to bet that driving fast is almost always based on emotionally derived reasons, while driving at posted speed limits or less is almost always based on rationally derived reasons. I'm willing to bet because I used to drive way too fast on public roads when I was under 25 years of age and and now many years later I don't drive way too fast on public roads - and I know my personal reasons for both scenarios. But of course my willingness to bet is only based on a sample size of 1 - myself.
IMHO, driving over the speed limit is for vehicles in closed course races ... and MAYBE for emergency vehicles in very special circumstances on public roads if they're doing it bright enough and loud enough.
FWIW ... I hope that other folks, myself, my DW, our dog, and the RV last a bit longer due to keeping our traveling at or under speed limits on trips. ;)pnichols wrote:
I've come close to number 3. happening. Actually the worst vehicle thing that has happened to me was not on my small list ... a rear wheel came off when underway along with the axle connected to it. If I hadn't been going slow at the time it could have been all over.
So let me get this straight. You've come close to having a tie-rod separate and you have had a wheel and an axel fall off on one of your vehicles?
Sounds like you REALLY need to step up your maintenance on the vehicles you own!beemerphile1 wrote:
FWIW not exactly related but many people aren't aware that emergency vehicles like an ambulance are allowed to monopolize the left lane, lights on or not.
Pet peave of mine. Ambulance on a free-flowing road running right about at the speed limit with the lights on.
They aren't getting anywhere any quicker but they sure do mess up traffic.
