I am currently in PA. I have not driven in the NE for at least 20 years! WOW, so many trucks, pot holes, low bridges, and I saw a sign proudly proclaiming $2.49 per gallon as if it were an accomplishment! How you guys, and gals, drive thru this mess, and think this is great to be RVing!

Yeah, I just spent two weeks in FL to see how the snowbirds do it. It was nice I have to say, and we were asked if we were there for the "season," but sadly we had to return to our work. The NE certainly has its challenges. I grew up in the Balt/Wash/VA corridor and can't imagine it today. Especially with this snow that is hitting now, with that many people in such a small area it is very difficult! I really enjoyed filling up my diesel with $1.69 diesel fuel. I will never see that again in PA!!

I was in college 40 years ago. I took a sociology class. I don't remember a whole lot about that class (let alone anything from my college days. :B But this one thing I do remember and it stuck with me all these years, and I'll probably never forget.The professor told us about an experiment that was conducted where 2 mice were put into a confined space. More than adequate and spacious for the 2 mice. They were given constantly the same amount of food, more than enough to last several lifetimes.They let the 2 mice live in this confined space and they began to multiply. But the space remained the same, and the quantity of food remained the same.After several generations of reproducing, the confined space began to get crowded, but the quantity of food never changed.Eventually, the space became over populated. The food remained the same. Eventually, there wasn't enough food for all of them as the supply remained the same. The mice turned on each other, started killing each other. Kill their young, and literally killed themselves off until there was only 1 mouse left.Sad story but true.We talked about world population and what could possibly happen. Of course 40 years ago, everyone in the class thought this concept was impossible. That our society would never revert to barbarism, that we were too cultured. Here we are 40 years later, and the population has mushroomed beyond belief. I've watch corn field and bean fields turn into apartment complexes and shopping malls, replacing a patch of ground that once produced food, now gone, and a building sitting there. I miss the days of my childhood when we could roam the field for hours and never see another living person.Makes me wonder where we're headed?

when we head south I can't believe how bad the roads are in PA and NY. When you finally get to New England the roads are not that bad.

I don't know where you are in PA, but the gas price at the Jonestown Speedway near the KOA off I-81 is $1.98. I think it was slightly lower when we were there a couple of weeks ago, but not by much.

DutchmenSport wrote:I was in college 40 years ago. I took a sociology class. I don't remember a whole lot about that class (let alone anything from my college days. :B But this one thing I do remember and it stuck with me all these years, and I'll probably never forget.The professor told us about an experiment that was conducted where 2 mice were put into a confined space. More than adequate and spacious for the 2 mice. They were given constantly the same amount of food, more than enough to last several lifetimes.They let the 2 mice live in this confined space and they began to multiply. But the space remained the same, and the quantity of food remained the same.After several generations of reproducing, the confined space began to get crowded, but the quantity of food never changed.Eventually, the space became over populated. The food remained the same. Eventually, there wasn't enough food for all of them as the supply remained the same. The mice turned on each other, started killing each other. Kill their young, and literally killed themselves off until there was only 1 mouse left.Sad story but true.We talked about world population and what could possibly happen. Of course 40 years ago, everyone in the class thought this concept was impossible. That our society would never revert to barbarism, that we were too cultured. Here we are 40 years later, and the population has mushroomed beyond belief. I've watch corn field and bean fields turn into apartment complexes and shopping malls, replacing a patch of ground that once produced food, now gone, and a building sitting there. I miss the days of my childhood when we could roam the field for hours and never see another living person.Makes me wonder where we're headed?The big difference is that modern farming efficiency and crop genetic improvements have drastically increased the per acre yield. Less growing space, yes, but higher output more than makes up for it. In 1936 for example, the average yield was 26 bushels of corn per acre. Today it's in excess of 160 bushels per acre and still increasing.

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midnightsadie
Explorer II
Jan 23, 2016
X2 in ohio.
DutchmenSport
Explorer
Jan 23, 2016
Gene&Ginny wrote:
Coach-man wrote:
..., pot holes, ....
In RI we are proud to have only one pothole. It starts at the CT line and ends at the MA line. :R

Now THAT's funny! :B
Dutch_12078
Explorer II
Jan 23, 2016
Crowe wrote:
Dutch, what you described is called "carrying capacity" and has existed for all time. It's a concept that no one put a label on until not that long ago.

Just like those who live in rural areas have to drive an hour to get to a grocery store, it's all in what you are used to. Most of us just accept it as it is what it is.

"Carrying capacity" is quite different to the described experiment though, in that it allows for more variables than just population growth. In the real world, all of the stated elements of the experiment are variables and capable of expansion, with an unknown maximum carrying capacity. Of course these variables are not infinite, but we do know we are nowhere near the limits at this point.
Lynnmor
Explorer
Jan 23, 2016
Every time the south gets blowed to pieces with a hurricane, they get money from the taxpayers. Will I get a check now?
Coach-man
Explorer
Jan 23, 2016
Lynnmor wrote:
Every time the south gets blowed to pieces with a hurricane, they get money from the taxpayers. Will I get a check now?

When Hurricane Andrew demolished my house, I went to the FEMA office they set up in the area. I was asked two questions, 1.) Do you have a job? 2.) Do you have insurance? The answer to both wasYES! They told me to please leave and make way for people who need help! KEEP IN MIND I WAS HOMELESS, had no place to go! Now tell me about all the money we get after a hurricane!
gsander1
Explorer
Jan 23, 2016
Coach-man has it right. We must have been his neighbors in south Dade in 1992 when Andrew destroyed our house as well. No government help asked or needed. The government may tell you they are there to help but you know they are not really giving anything to regular folks.
Gjac
Explorer III
Jan 23, 2016
Having lived in the NE all my life and now traveling all over the US and Alaska it is much different that the rest of the country. Besides the roads being bad, tolls being high, bridges being low the CG's are more expensive with very limited boondocking opportunity's. Having said that I camp at Ct SP's to fish, White Mtns NF in NH has some remote ares to camp in and 1/2 price NF CG's if over 62. Maine is nice as is Arcadia NP. RI has some nice beach camping, fishing and clamming. When leaving CT you learn to leave early to get through NY with no traffic or tolls. Once through NYC except for Chicago area and other big cities the training driving in the NE makes most roads a piece of cake.
EV2
Explorer
Jan 23, 2016
Coach-man wrote:
Lynnmor wrote:
Every time the south gets blowed to pieces with a hurricane, they get money from the taxpayers. Will I get a check now?

When Hurricane Andrew demolished my house, I went to the FEMA office they set up in the area. I was asked two questions, 1.) Do you have a job? 2.) Do you have insurance? The answer to both wasYES! They told me to please leave and make way for people who need help! KEEP IN MIND I WAS HOMELESS, had no place to go! Now tell me about all the money we get after a hurricane!

"From those that do, to those who won't."
tenbear
Explorer
Jan 23, 2016
I am in the NE, for people who don't know where Vermont is, and I love the 4 seasons. I would hate it being summer all year long. This time of year we have skiing, snow mobileing and lots of other great things. Summer we have reasonable temperatures for lots of outdoor activities.

I think I'll stay here, with the occasional trip to the south to remind me how much I like the north.
Lantley
Nomad
Jan 23, 2016
tenbear wrote:
I am in the NE, for people who don't know where Vermont is, and I love the 4 seasons. I would hate it being summer all year long. This time of year we have skiing, snow mobileing and lots of other great things. Summer we have reasonable temperatures for lots of outdoor activities.

I think I'll stay here, with the occasional trip to the south to remind me how much I like the north.

I hear you I like 4 seasons too but the New England winter season is too long.;) Resulting in a camping season that is too short.:W

Now if you could come a bit further south into the Mid Atlantic you'd find the climate just right.
Now if only I could get a few 100,000 people to leave the area and get a major tax cut things here would be almost perfect.

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