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Hi guy's

running 245/75 17" 10 ply tires my toy is a 500# golf cart

thanks for the help.

NC Hauler wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Bedlam wrote:
I would not be surprised if the RAWR is based on his current tire capacity. When you find which axle your truck is using, you can then get the specifications on that axle to find the limits. For example, my truck runs the Sterling 10.5" axle rated at 9750 lbs. My GAWR was based off the tires that came on my truck even though the same frame, brakes, axle and suspension is used on other trucks with a higher rating than my 6200 lbs. I currently run 4500 lb rated rims with 4850 lb rated tires along with suspension aids to give me a 9000 lb RAWR.

And yet you still have a truck with a GVWR of 10,000#.

Agree with you OB...I don't understand how some think they can add tires that are rated to carry more weight than their axle and think all will be well....the axle and suspension have now become the weak link...Heck, if that were the case, I ought to be able to buy a 1/2 ton p/u, put G or H rated tires on it and I'll be able to handle thousands of pounds more then, though, the rear axle rating will be pushed well beyond it's limits..

Let's see, GVWR is a joke, very few, if any use that rating any more, "just a number", (reason I'm referred to as the weight police:)...THEN, I buy into RAWR, to a point, and if a 6,084# RAWR isn't enough...heck, can the OEM tires, and jack that sucker up to where it can handle 9,000# with the tires, though the axle is only rated at a little over 6,000#:h
IF ONLY it were THAT easy........

How much of the RAWR does one cut into? If it's rated at 6,000# (just an example), is it ok to to with a 4,000# pin weight in a 3/4 ton truck, knowing that we still 4 or 500 # reserve to carry through bumps, stops, etc? Just curious...

My 06 3500 Laramie has the same part number rear axle, springs, brakes, and frame as it's dual wheel SLT cousin. I've done exactly what was described - went to higher rated wheels and tires, so I would have a margin of tire capacity to spare when hauling at door sticker max weight, rather than run load range E tires at maximum. I also added an air suspension designed for the 3500 dually. So, do I now haul at the same weight all the time as a 3500 dually? No, but the truck can. I had the opportunity to load by weight 4500lbs payload of bulk material and the truck handled it no problem, just like it would if it were a dually.

Sticker axle ratings are based on the lowest rated component. If you have a 10,000 capacity axle and suspension factory equipped with 6000 capacity tires and wheels, the tires & wheels determine the sticker rating. If you change to 9,000lbs capacity tires your axle's designed capacity didn't change downward to 6000lbs it is still the same axle.

And if your truck started life as a chassis-cab rather than a pickup truck, re-rating by a certified body upfitter is "that easy" as it left the OEM as an incomplete vehicle and final sticker ratings are determined and can be changed by a body builder / equipment upfitter.

A pickup truck is a complete vehicle and no re-rating information is offered by Chrysler. I can't speak for other OEM's.

When I called Chrysler with my VIN and asked what is the minimum component that determined the door sticker ratings the answer was "we cannot see that information for your vehicle."

So I then did part number research with the help of a Chrysler dealer, comparing to a same year SLT dually.

rhagfo wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Bedlam wrote:
I would not be surprised if the RAWR is based on his current tire capacity. When you find which axle your truck is using, you can then get the specifications on that axle to find the limits. For example, my truck runs the Sterling 10.5" axle rated at 9750 lbs. My GAWR was based off the tires that came on my truck even though the same frame, brakes, axle and suspension is used on other trucks with a higher rating than my 6200 lbs. I currently run 4500 lb rated rims with 4850 lb rated tires along with suspension aids to give me a 9000 lb RAWR.

And yet you still have a truck with a GVWR of 10,000#.

Well if PNW means. Washington, then he can license for what ever he needs up to the tire rating.

Heck, you can buy a license for almost any weight you want I figure. But what I'm saying is how safe is it to purchase tires that can carry more weight than the AXLE is rated at? Unless I'm just misunderstanding the whole post. Take a 6,084# rated axle, put tires on the truck that can handle a total of 9,000#, and now, though the axle is rated almost 3,000# less than the tire rating, I can now carry almost 3,000# more payload???:h Really don't think it works that way...unless, someone knows that the 6,084# RAWR isn't correct and that it'll actually handle the 9,000# that the tires can now carry....

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Bedlam wrote:
I would not be surprised if the RAWR is based on his current tire capacity. When you find which axle your truck is using, you can then get the specifications on that axle to find the limits. For example, my truck runs the Sterling 10.5" axle rated at 9750 lbs. My GAWR was based off the tires that came on my truck even though the same frame, brakes, axle and suspension is used on other trucks with a higher rating than my 6200 lbs. I currently run 4500 lb rated rims with 4850 lb rated tires along with suspension aids to give me a 9000 lb RAWR.

And yet you still have a truck with a GVWR of 10,000#.

Agree with you OB...I don't understand how some think they can add tires that are rated to carry more weight than their axle and think all will be well....the axle and suspension have now become the weak link...Heck, if that were the case, I ought to be able to buy a 1/2 ton p/u, put G or H rated tires on it and I'll be able to handle thousands of pounds more then, though, the rear axle rating will be pushed well beyond it's limits..

Let's see, GVWR is a joke, very few, if any use that rating any more, "just a number", (reason I'm referred to as the weight police:)...THEN, I go with the trucks RAWR, to a point, and if a 6,084# RAWR isn't enough...heck, toss the OEM tires, and put some G or H rated tires on that sucker to where it can handle 9,000# with the tires, though the axle is only rated at a little over 6,000#:h ......IF ONLY it were THAT easy........

How much of the RAWR does one cut into? If axle is rated at 6,000# (just an example), is it ok to to drop a 4,000# pin weight in a 3/4 ton truck, knowing that we only have 4 or 500 lbs in reserve to tow the 5er over bumps, stops, up and down all around...heck, suspension should last forever with that scenario.

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Bedlam wrote:
I would not be surprised if the RAWR is based on his current tire capacity. When you find which axle your truck is using, you can then get the specifications on that axle to find the limits. For example, my truck runs the Sterling 10.5" axle rated at 9750 lbs. My GAWR was based off the tires that came on my truck even though the same frame, brakes, axle and suspension is used on other trucks with a higher rating than my 6200 lbs. I currently run 4500 lb rated rims with 4850 lb rated tires along with suspension aids to give me a 9000 lb RAWR.

And yet you still have a truck with a GVWR of 10,000#.

Well if PNW means. Washington, then he can license for what ever he needs up to the tire rating.

Bedlam wrote:
I would not be surprised if the RAWR is based on his current tire capacity. When you find which axle your truck is using, you can then get the specifications on that axle to find the limits. For example, my truck runs the Sterling 10.5" axle rated at 9750 lbs. My GAWR was based off the tires that came on my truck even though the same frame, brakes, axle and suspension is used on other trucks with a higher rating than my 6200 lbs. I currently run 4500 lb rated rims with 4850 lb rated tires along with suspension aids to give me a 9000 lb RAWR.

And yet you still have a truck with a GVWR of 10,000#.

NC Hauler wrote:

Bedlam wrote:

MFL wrote:

harley001 wrote:
Mike, I think the TH, when loaded, may approach the truck tow rating.

However, the bigger problem may be the pin weight of the trailer, plus the weight of the hitch, passengers, etc. This may be around 3,000#s +. You may have to add extra spring, air-bags, tire capacity etc.

Just a few things to consider, hope it works for you,
Jerry

Ok guy's looked my truck up dodge ram 2500 quad cab 5.9l 4:10 rear end 2007

gvwr- 9,000 payload-2635 cwt-6365 gawr front-4630 rear-6000 gcwr-20,000


fifth wheel 2009 fuzion302 34' dry 11,165 what do you think!


mike

Most likely the axle has a rating over 9000 lbs, but the suspension and wheels will be your limiting factor. If you are set on getting this toy hauler look into the 19.5" wheels which will give you over 8000 lbs of wheel capacity on the rear. The truck will most likely squat under that weigh and SuperSprings or other suspension aids would be required to level you out.

Watch your GCWR - You will easily add 3000 lbs to the toy hauler once personal items, toys and water are added. I was about 4000 lbs heavier than dry when I had mine filled with toys and water for a long trip...

He stated his RAWR was 6,000#...I wouldn't want to put tires on that exceed the rating of the axle and make the axle the "weak link" in the towing formula.

Agree that he needs to use the 5er's GVW and figure pin weight from there as well as possible loaded weight added to weight of the truck...

The GVWR of that 5er is 14,405# dry pin is about 2,400# being a TH, the pin weight will not go up as much as a non TH 5er. What toys are you going to haul?
If your 2007 only has a GVWR of 9,000#, you will for sure be over your GVWR, but I have a hard time believing your rear axle only has a 6,000# rating, it should be at least 6,084, which is what the total tire rating is for the stock 245/75-16 E rated tires.

I don't recommend for others, but I tow over my GVWR, but well within axle and tire ratings.
My 5er weighs in at 11,000# with a listed GVWR of 12,500#, my pin is right at 2,000#.

Look at the VIN sticker on your drivers door jam, it should have the info for your truck.




NC Hauler, It isn't that axle that is the weak point, likely the springs, or stock tires. The Full floating axle in that truck is the same as the one for the one ton 3500.

I would not be surprised if the RAWR is based on his current tire capacity. When you find which axle your truck is using, you can then get the specifications on that axle to find the limits. For example, my truck runs the Sterling 10.5" axle rated at 9750 lbs. My GAWR was based off the tires that came on my truck even though the same frame, brakes, axle and suspension is used on other trucks with a higher rating than my 6200 lbs. I currently run 4500 lb rated rims with 4850 lb rated tires along with suspension aids to give me a 9000 lb RAWR.

harley001 wrote:
Ok guy's looked my truck up dodge ram 2500 quad cab 5.9l 4:10 rear end 2007

gvwr- 9,000 payload-2635 cwt-6365 gawr front-4630 rear-6000 gcwr-20,000


fifth wheel 2009 fuzion302 34' dry 11,165 what do you think!


mike

Curb weight----6365 GVWR----9000 leaving a 2635# payload
Subtract 250# for 5th wheel hitch from that payload
Subtract 300# for 2 passengers
Subtract 100# of stuff in truck
That leaves you with a payload of 1985# (n this scenario---your trucks actual curb weight may be different)

That 11,165# DRY weight would have a pin weight around 2200#.....already over your payload and nothing is in trailer.

Again....weight your truck 'camp ready' (don't forget hitch weight)
Then find a trailer with a GVWR and 20% pin weight that actually fits your trucks available rating.

Buy a trailer that is within your trucks ratings that you can enjoy towing it----the more you enjoy towing it the more you will look forward to going VS I HATE TOWING THIS

Bedlam wrote:
Most likely the axle has a rating over 9000 lbs, but the suspension and wheels will be your limiting factor. If you are set on getting this toy hauler look into the 19.5" wheels which will give you over 8000 lbs of wheel capacity on the rear. The truck will most likely squat under that weigh and SuperSprings or other suspension aids would be required to level you out.

Watch your GCWR - You will easily add 3000 lbs to the toy hauler once personal items, toys and water are added. I was about 4000 lbs heavier than dry when I had mine filled with toys and water for a long trip...

He stated his RAWR was 6,000#...I wouldn't want to put tires on that exceed the rating of the axle and make the axle the "weak link" in the towing formula.

Agree that he needs to use the 5er's GVW and figure pin weight from there as well as possible loaded weight added to weight of the truck...