No Privacy?

ok so you continue to lack comprehension of what you read or I do and I have no idea what you mean by there wasn’t any room according to me… not something I ever said… so with this I am out of here… but

I just don’t believe the woman came in totally unannounced or did so without some type of prior provocation… that’s my opinion and I have my reasons for them… opinions that I admit could be wrong…
I do believe there are details that have been omitted for the sake of the rant…, and I am not going to call the woman or the boy an idiot that can’t even begin to defend their actions or even knows she is being accused of something, I’ll leave that up to you… it's the unfortunate part about almost every rant…

We both read the same story, and both have formed different opinions, I see inconsistencies and believe there are omissions, and you don’t, I see classic rant credibility issues, you don’t… neither of us were there to know what really happened, we have both formed opinions on the same words used, the words of one person making angry accusations against another after the fact… a person that apparently didn’t say anything to the woman or offer any type of objection at the time…

DiskDoctr wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

TyroneandGladys wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

TyroneandGladys wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

TyroneandGladys wrote:
IMHO the minute that a 12 year old boy was spotted in the women's shower 911 should have been called and told that there was a young man in the showers and let them sort it out.

While it was probably a mistake by the mother to take her son into the women's restroom, I hardly think it rises to the level requiring police. Maybe the son did have severe problems, in that case a little compassion is needed, the last thing a parent with a severely handicapped child needs is the police being called every time the child makes someone feel uncomfortable. I think the parent was wrong. I think that with a little forethought the entire situation could have been avoided and both sides made happy. But the police aren't the answer here.

As far as compassion that is why I said let the police sort it out.
If there is a disability no foul if not major wakeup call to kid and the woman who took him in there,

Let me put it another way. If you call the police on something as minor as this (and it really is a minor incident, unless there is a whole lot more we are not being told), without first trying to get the park's management to attend to the situation, at our parks you would be asked to leave.

Let me get this straight before anyone in your camp calls the police and they want to make sure that they can stay at your park they need to clear that with you???????????????????
If so please either IM me the name of your park so I can make sure I do not stay there or if you really believe there is nothing wrong with that policy let me know the name of your park here in public viewing

If you are calling the police for things like this, without first trying to get a resolution from the management, yes I am going to toss you. The park doesn't need the entertainment, doesn't need the distraction or the police arriving and questioning guests and doesn't need to earn the reputation of being "the boy who cried wolf" park in the unlikely event we ever really do need police assistance. There are ways to handle things, and channels people should take to get issues resolved. Calling the cops because there is a boy in the women's restroom with one of their parents is an extreme over-reaction.

You may wish to seriously reconsider your position.

1. You have NO AUTHORITY to tell anyone they cannot call the police any time they feel harassed, endangered, or been a victim or witness of a CRIME.

2. You have NO AUTHORITY to investigate, prosecute, decide upon, or do anything else other than STOP a crime you PERSONALLY WITNESS.

3. Preventing anyone access to police under threat, emergency or not, could have very serious civil and even criminal repercussions.

I won't even begin to mention all the LIABILITY you could face by denying anyone access to police services by this kind of threat to "toss them"

Police are trained to prioritize and investigate crimes and violations of the law. YOU are NOT trained and authorized to do so. In fact, in many areas, by attempting to do so, YOU could be charged with a crime yourself.

Hopefully, you are simply posting more of your "internet bravado" and never intend to actually take the kind of action you propose. Doing so could be so disastrous, that SOMEONE ELSE could end up owning all your "parks"

Ho contrare, little Grasshopper. I never said I would prevent them from calling the police, I just said if they did for an issue such as was described, I would be asking them to leave. They are creating a disturbance, as far as I am concerned, by calling the police for a matter that is obviously not criminal in nature. The same would be true if someone called the police because they saw a dog off leash, if they thought someone was being too loud, if they though a campfire was too smokey, if they saw someone riding around in their vehicle without seatbelt on or whatever. We have offices and management in the parks for a reason. They are where you should take complaints like the one described in this thread. You don't call the police reflexively and skip over the management. When that happens I will take action to protect my guests and my parks' reputations. Thankfully most people are not stupid enough to whip out their phones and dial 911 for every minor transgression they see. The innkeeeper laws give me great latitude in what I allow and do not allow in the park. But if I draw the black pea and one shows up at my parks, they won't be there for long.

This is getting crazy.

NO ONE KNOWS THE AGE OF THE BOY. HE COULD HAVE BEEN 7.

HE MAY NOT OF EVEN BEEN A BOY. MAYBE A GIRL WITH SHORT HAIR.

BESIDES HE/SHE HAD A HAIRY EYEBALL SO THE HE/SHE COULD NOT SEE MUCH.

:B

Beware the Hairy Eyeball

westernrvparkowner wrote:
I never said I would prevent them from calling the police, I just said if they did for an issue such as was described, I would be asking them to leave.

Uhm..yes, you did. You repeat by repeating your threat to throw such a person out.

They are creating a disturbance, as far as I am concerned

And you would be wrong. If someone calls the police and the police deem it appropriate to come out (it is THEIR decision, not yours). Now if the police deem the call to be malicious, you can do as you please. But I cannot imagine a young man in a ladies room without any explanation or warning being deemed "ok" by any standards.

If you want to throw someone out for causing a disturbance, remember the CAUSE part of it and throw out the person who caused the actual disturbance, not the person reporting it. Then you can decide if the young man was justified in being there, or if THEY should have come to management first, before causing a disturbance. After all, the restrooms ARE posted as Men and Women.

by calling the police for a matter that is obviously not criminal in nature.

Again, you are wrong. It is NOT "obviously not criminal." Young men of age are expected to use the Mens room. Until/unless a special circumstance is shown to necessitate that behavior, it can be considered lewd, deviant, voyeurism, peeping tom, even criminal trespass (google for examples). FYI- Do it in a hidden manner and it can be charged as a Felony I.

The same would be true if someone called the police because they saw a dog off leash, if they thought someone was being too loud, if they though a campfire was too smokey, if they saw someone riding around in their vehicle without seatbelt on or whatever.

Not even close to the same thing. No invasion of privacy, no lewdness, no potential for sexual, indecency, deviant, or other serious crimes in dog leash or the other nonsense you compare it to.

We have offices and management in the parks for a reason. They are where you should take {complaints} special needs, if any like the one described in this thread.

There, I fixed it for you. ;)

You don't call the police reflexively and skip over the management.

If you think you are the victim of a crime, you do. As a matter of fact, if there is a sexual crime at some point, chances are YOU won't even be told the details. Protection of victims' privacy is taken pretty seriously in those kinds of cases.

The innkeeeper laws give me great latitude in what I allow and do not allow in the park.

YOU are NEVER permitted to CONCEAL {serious} crimes, nor prevent by threat of eviction or any other means of coercion ANY VICTIM from reporting a crime.

Mess up on that one, just once, and you may get fitted for a new striped suit or orange jumper. :E :S

Care to cite the portion of an innkeeper law of any sort that allows you to prevent a guest who believes they are a victim of a crime from contacting the police?

Here is a (non-authoritative) link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospitality_law

Duty to guest
Lodging operators have a duty of care to their guests. This duty does not insure the guests’ safety, but does require the operator to “act prudently and use reasonable care.” '1' This means, among other things, that an operator can be held liable if he or she is found negligent.

IMHO, threatening to evict a guest rather than taking steps to find the person who (possibly) committed the offense is not acting prudently and using reasonable care.

I will stop there, little grasshopper :R

We all understand this is just a forum and sometimes people talk a big show, but sometimes people say the most foolish things, necessitating a reality check by the responsible adults :S

D & M wrote:
Beware the Hairy Eyeball

ROTFLMAO! Quite a talent you have there ;)

Pogoil wrote:
HE MAY NOT OF EVEN BEEN A BOY. MAYBE A GIRL WITH SHORT HAIR.

Psst...

the woman mumble that the boy needed help

No disputing the "hairy eyeball" comment :B