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Scooby I am no expert. But for example the cars battery can be routinely run down to almost zero with no issues. TESLA I believe recommends daily operation between 20 and 90 percent but also adds that running between 100 and very low percentage is fine. So yes, you can draw the battery down to pretty much zero.
Does the output voltage of the battery drop as the state of charge drops? If it does, will the inverter still power the charger? OT, but to show how I learn. Years back a driver left truck lights on overnight. When I found out next morning, I called him, told him to take day off. I rolled out my big charger, and 200 feet of 16 gauge cord. Worked all day, very little charge in batteries. Decided batteries where ruined, and loaded them in pickup. Gave driver another day off. Next morning I hooked up the charger with it plugged into the shop wall. When we stopped at noon, the meter on charger showed full charge. Batteries lasted rest of year. (Driver didn't)
time2roll wrote:
JRscooby wrote:
time2roll wrote: While the en-route charging shown in the video is great.... The real benefit will be having the charging station at the destination loading dock to charge where the truck is already stopped to unload. Especially for fleet vehicles such as grocery stores. Will increase the incentive to get solar up on the store roof too.
I will say I know nothing about EVs other than I like the idea. That said many times in my life I have seen a battery that was fully charged hooked to a mostly discharged one with large cables and in a very short time the voltage in the discharged battery make a big jump up. Now to go into theory, or really show my ignorance. Would it be possible to build a stationary battery bank, with say twice the capacity of the battery of the EV, and such that the fully charged voltage was 10% higher than full charge on EV? Then let solar panels on the roof charge that battery. The EV, pulls in with a low battery. Large cables, or better buss bars, join the batteries. Kick in a relay, wouldn't that charge the EV to full charge in a short time? If the EV was to set overnight, the cables could be smaller, charge slower.
Yes however the cables would have to be immense and the batteries would charge/discharge faster than optimum for long life. Still best to have a controlled charging cycle at the correct maximum. Using the existing down time of the truck in effect takes no extra time. If the truck makes nine 20 minute stops in the day to unload that is three hours of charging and no time lost in the schedule.
Yes, pulling the cables out to hook up would be a strain. That is why I mentioned bars. On a straight truck it would be fairly easy to after the dock ramp is placed, a pair of bars swing to contact. Semi would need to make contact at trailer/dock and tractor/trailer. Most times when a truck is making many stops in a day don't dock just use liftgate. But at grocery warehouse for example, often the trailer stays at dock all night to be loaded. When it leaves to make deliveries, OTR trucks back in to unload (The last time I delivered to a grocery warehouse it was against company policy for outside drivers to us restroom or spend the rest of sleeper time on property. Think they would charge OTR trucks?
Gjac wrote:
I like your battery idea if something would be able to top off the batteries but I think it would be more practical to just change out the batteries when they get low then the EV station would charge them over night until the next truck or MH needs one. Quick change over the time it takes to fill a 100 gal diesel tank.
Changing batteries might work, but what I was thinking (use thinking loosely) was while the truck is out making deliveries or bus bussing thru the day solar is charging stationary batteries. Then at night, power is transferred to vehicle.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-04-25T06:23:30.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-04-25T06:23:30.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":461},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:3475316/message:3475352","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475351":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3475351","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3475351":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:145744"},"id":"message:3475351","revisionNum":1,"uid":3475351,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3475316"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3475316"},"subject":"Re: Test charging stop for large EV’s, busses, trucks, mohos.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475351"},"body":"
Gjac wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Horsedoc wrote: Not one answer to the questions that should be on everyone's mind.. How long to charge a heavy duty truck? What does it cost? If this place saves on petro chemical fuels, where does the energy come from that generates the power to do the charging?
Well, the article mentions a 1 megawatt rate which is about three times faster than at currently available vehicle charge stations. But that is changing fast. So assuming the 1 megawatt is achievable probably a couple hours for a 1 megawatt pack. Who knows.
Cost at current fast chargers is around 26 cents to 45 cents so multiply that by the pack size and go from there. It costs me 8 bucks to fill up at home, around 20 bucks to fill up at a supercharger. If a truck has a pack 10 times bigger than mine at those rates about 200 bucks.
Where the energy comes from depends on the country, region, province, state etc. In our province it’s from Hydro. Etc etc.
Not an expert. :).
When you say 26 to 45 cents do you mean per KWH?
Yes. Per kWH. Superchargers are typically 3 times as expensive as home charging. Public DCFC from other companies can be even more. Which is why the vast majority of charging is done at home. Generally fast charging is only done on road trips. Keeps the fast chargers from getting overwhelmed that way.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-04-25T06:07:27.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-04-25T06:07:27.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":461},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:3475316/message:3475351","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:209902":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:209902","uid":209902,"login":"pitch","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-06-08T08:17:49.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:209902"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475350":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3475350","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3475350":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:209902"},"id":"message:3475350","revisionNum":1,"uid":3475350,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3475316"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3475316"},"subject":"Re: Test charging stop for large EV’s, busses, trucks, mohos.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475350"},"body":"
free radical wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
PartyOf Five wrote: While I don't question any of the numbers above, I also don't question the business sense of these & so many other companies - if its not going to work, they're not going to invest $1 into it. Success (according to the masses at least) goes to those who make the most money, and the ones who lead this race are generally the ones who can think beyond the box.
With wind, solar, and other power forms becoming popular, it could be reasonable that that coal plant has fewer customers, or that it's customers need less power - enabling more charging stations at the truck stop.
From Wikipedia: In 2019 there were 241 coal powered units across the United States which generated 23% of the United States electricity in 2019, an amount of electricity similar to that from renewable energy or nuclear power... Installed capacity was about 236 GW. So if you have 5 coal plants per state today, then each serves a couple hundred miles- is there a need for 14 truck stops within each one's service region?
If it was the businesses leading, I would agree. The problem is this is the politicians driving the process and using our tax dollars to allow them to ignore the financials. If the govt throws a few billion at it, industry happily will put together a program to test running trucks on unicorn farts.
Coal plants are being taken off line. We are actually entering a period where excess production capacity is steadily going down.
I wasn't proposing to build coal power plants but just using that to explain the scale of what these chargers need in terms of power supply. You could use in nuclear, hydro or solar the charging stations as equivalents, doesn't matter but we are talking huge concentrated demands. A couple acres of solar panels aren't going to be even close to enough to service an individual truck stop. And more importantly, the existing power plants are already being used for other purposes. For every 14 truck stops as described, you are going to have to build the generation capability of an average power plant. .
This OUR TAX dolars fud always cracks me up, Our taxes arent nowhere near enough to pay for any large expenditures.
Fed simply prints trilions more $$ to keep the show going,
It is industry and the market leading E vehicles. The petroleum industry in the US is subsidized by millions of dollars, tax breaks,and a myriad of government programs. Really confusing that we should be giving money to a fantastically profitable mature business. If the E vehicle and renewable market had a quarter of the support the petro chemical industry has, we would probably already be there. But industry knows where we are going, look at the market look at renewable companies and the plethora of even petroleum exploiters that are making massive investment in the future.
So for the few of you that are saying that it is not for you,fine, I am sure that you won't be missed. Most folks on this board are at least forty years old, and most well past that. Wake up smell the coffee, you are no longer desirable demographic. Your opinion,lack of support, refusal to participate, and general luddite view, is no longer significant. Face it, you are obsolete as your ICE vehicle!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"207","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-04-25T05:43:57.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-04-25T05:43:57.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":461},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:3475316/message:3475350","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:160318":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:160318","uid":160318,"login":"Gjac","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-08-16T10:29:54.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:160318"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475349":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3475349","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3475349":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:160318"},"id":"message:3475349","revisionNum":1,"uid":3475349,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3475316"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3475316"},"subject":"Re: Test charging stop for large EV’s, busses, trucks, mohos.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475349"},"body":"
Reisender wrote:
Horsedoc wrote: Not one answer to the questions that should be on everyone's mind.. How long to charge a heavy duty truck? What does it cost? If this place saves on petro chemical fuels, where does the energy come from that generates the power to do the charging?
Well, the article mentions a 1 megawatt rate which is about three times faster than at currently available vehicle charge stations. But that is changing fast. So assuming the 1 megawatt is achievable probably a couple hours for a 1 megawatt pack. Who knows.
Cost at current fast chargers is around 26 cents to 45 cents so multiply that by the pack size and go from there. It costs me 8 bucks to fill up at home, around 20 bucks to fill up at a supercharger. If a truck has a pack 10 times bigger than mine at those rates about 200 bucks.
Where the energy comes from depends on the country, region, province, state etc. In our province it’s from Hydro. Etc etc.
Not an expert. :).
When you say 26 to 45 cents do you mean per KWH?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-04-25T04:11:01.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-04-25T04:11:01.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":219},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:3475316/message:3475349","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:296323":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:296323","uid":296323,"login":"afidel","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-12-23T20:23:28.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:296323"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475348":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3475348","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3475348":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:296323"},"id":"message:3475348","revisionNum":1,"uid":3475348,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3475316"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3475316"},"subject":"Re: Test charging stop for large EV’s, busses, trucks, mohos.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475348"},"body":"
rk911 wrote:
BB_TX wrote:
Horsedoc wrote: .......... If this place saves on petro chemical fuels, where does the energy come from that generates the power to do the charging?
People tend to ignore the fact that it takes a lot of energy to move oil across country to refineries, refine that oil into gasoline and diesel, and then deliver it nation wide to service stations. All of that also requires fossil fuels to get that fuel to us so we can burn it. :S
which is why pipelines are more efficient. we won't consider an electric vehicle much less a MH until two things occur:
a full re-charge takes the same amount of time it takes to refuel now...about 10-min for a 4-wheeler and maybe 20-min for the MH.
the range between charging is roughly the same as what we're seeing now...about 150-mi for the cars and 300-350 in the MH.
and of course the charging stations need to be where we are. American ingenuity being what it is i 'spose those conditions might occur before my wife and i leave this Earth but it'll be a race.
Well then good news, model 3 long range on a v3 supercharger can add 75 miles in 5 minutes and 180 in 15 minutes so pretty much the same as what you're asking for. Tesla has already stated that the semi will be able to charge fast enough that the 500 mile pack will be able to drive as long as the driver has hours available if they charge on their lunch break and during their sleep period. It might be slightly slower for team drivers, but that's a pretty small niche.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-04-24T22:57:04.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-04-24T22:57:04.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":195},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:3475316/message:3475348","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475347":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3475347","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3475347":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:145744"},"id":"message:3475347","revisionNum":1,"uid":3475347,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3475316"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3475316"},"subject":"Re: Test charging stop for large EV’s, busses, trucks, mohos.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475347"},"body":"
Gjac wrote:
JRscooby wrote:
time2roll wrote: While the en-route charging shown in the video is great.... The real benefit will be having the charging station at the destination loading dock to charge where the truck is already stopped to unload. Especially for fleet vehicles such as grocery stores. Will increase the incentive to get solar up on the store roof too.
I will say I know nothing about EVs other than I like the idea. That said many times in my life I have seen a battery that was fully charged hooked to a mostly discharged one with large cables and in a very short time the voltage in the discharged battery make a big jump up. Now to go into theory, or really show my ignorance. Would it be possible to build a stationary battery bank, with say twice the capacity of the battery of the EV, and such that the fully charged voltage was 10% higher than full charge on EV? Then let solar panels on the roof charge that battery. The EV, pulls in with a low battery. Large cables, or better buss bars, join the batteries. Kick in a relay, wouldn't that charge the EV to full charge in a short time? If the EV was to set overnight, the cables could be smaller, charge slower.
I like your battery idea if something would be able to top off the batteries but I think it would be more practical to just change out the batteries when they get low then the EV station would charge them over night until the next truck or MH needs one. Quick change over the time it takes to fill a 100 gal diesel tank.
I can kind of see that. I don’t think battery swaps make sense for cars anymore as charge times on the long distance EV’s have dropped a lot as faster charging facilities have become available. But with commercial trucking they make make sense.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-04-24T13:23:36.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-04-24T13:23:36.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":195},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:3475316/message:3475347","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475346":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3475346","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3475346":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:160318"},"id":"message:3475346","revisionNum":1,"uid":3475346,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3475316"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3475316"},"subject":"Re: Test charging stop for large EV’s, busses, trucks, mohos.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475346"},"body":"
JRscooby wrote:
time2roll wrote: While the en-route charging shown in the video is great.... The real benefit will be having the charging station at the destination loading dock to charge where the truck is already stopped to unload. Especially for fleet vehicles such as grocery stores. Will increase the incentive to get solar up on the store roof too.
I will say I know nothing about EVs other than I like the idea. That said many times in my life I have seen a battery that was fully charged hooked to a mostly discharged one with large cables and in a very short time the voltage in the discharged battery make a big jump up. Now to go into theory, or really show my ignorance. Would it be possible to build a stationary battery bank, with say twice the capacity of the battery of the EV, and such that the fully charged voltage was 10% higher than full charge on EV? Then let solar panels on the roof charge that battery. The EV, pulls in with a low battery. Large cables, or better buss bars, join the batteries. Kick in a relay, wouldn't that charge the EV to full charge in a short time? If the EV was to set overnight, the cables could be smaller, charge slower.
I like your battery idea if something would be able to top off the batteries but I think it would be more practical to just change out the batteries when they get low then the EV station would charge them over night until the next truck or MH needs one. Quick change over the time it takes to fill a 100 gal diesel tank.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-04-24T13:17:57.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-04-24T13:17:57.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":195},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:3475316/message:3475346","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:108257":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:108257","uid":108257,"login":"time2roll","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-03-21T19:03:16.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:108257"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475345":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3475345","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3475345":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:108257"},"id":"message:3475345","revisionNum":1,"uid":3475345,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3475316"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3475316"},"subject":"Re: Test charging stop for large EV’s, busses, trucks, mohos.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475345"},"body":"
JRscooby wrote:
time2roll wrote: While the en-route charging shown in the video is great.... The real benefit will be having the charging station at the destination loading dock to charge where the truck is already stopped to unload. Especially for fleet vehicles such as grocery stores. Will increase the incentive to get solar up on the store roof too.
I will say I know nothing about EVs other than I like the idea. That said many times in my life I have seen a battery that was fully charged hooked to a mostly discharged one with large cables and in a very short time the voltage in the discharged battery make a big jump up. Now to go into theory, or really show my ignorance. Would it be possible to build a stationary battery bank, with say twice the capacity of the battery of the EV, and such that the fully charged voltage was 10% higher than full charge on EV? Then let solar panels on the roof charge that battery. The EV, pulls in with a low battery. Large cables, or better buss bars, join the batteries. Kick in a relay, wouldn't that charge the EV to full charge in a short time? If the EV was to set overnight, the cables could be smaller, charge slower.
Yes however the cables would have to be immense and the batteries would charge/discharge faster than optimum for long life. Still best to have a controlled charging cycle at the correct maximum. Using the existing down time of the truck in effect takes no extra time. If the truck makes nine 20 minute stops in the day to unload that is three hours of charging and no time lost in the schedule.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-04-24T08:21:08.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-04-24T08:21:08.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":195},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:3475316/message:3475345","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475344":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3475344","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3475344":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:145744"},"id":"message:3475344","revisionNum":1,"uid":3475344,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3475316"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3475316"},"subject":"Re: Test charging stop for large EV’s, busses, trucks, mohos.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3475344"},"body":"
JRscooby wrote:
Reisender wrote:
JRscooby wrote:
I will say I know nothing about EVs other than I like the idea. That said many times in my life I have seen a battery that was fully charged hooked to a mostly discharged one with large cables and in a very short time the voltage in the discharged battery make a big jump up. Now to go into theory, or really show my ignorance. Would it be possible to build a stationary battery bank, with say twice the capacity of the battery of the EV, and such that the fully charged voltage was 10% higher than full charge on EV? Then let solar panels on the roof charge that battery. The EV, pulls in with a low battery. Large cables, or better buss bars, join the batteries. Kick in a relay, wouldn't that charge the EV to full charge in a short time? If the EV was to set overnight, the cables could be smaller, charge slower.
I’m sure it would work but it would be an inefficient use of 50 percent of the capacity of the storage battery. This is why they use inverters and rectifiers at V3 Superchargers so they can more efficiently utilize the capacity of the on site storage. The on site storage allows for a much smaller grid feed to the Supercharger as it acts as a peaker during peak charge hours. Friday nights, Sunday mornings, long weekends, etc.
I can't say you are wrong, and for sure can't say I'm right. But can the inverter discharge battery below 50%? The reason I say double is to so there would be enough amps to hold the voltage above max charge voltage of the EV battery. The reason I say use large cables is to speed the transfer. If the battery bank was large enough a inverter could power other loads. But for lighting, be better to make the lamps to use stored voltage. Every time you transform you lose some.
Scooby I am no expert. But for example the cars battery can be routinely run down to almost zero with no issues. TESLA I believe recommends daily operation between 20 and 90 percent but also adds that running between 100 and very low percentage is fine. 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