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Solo
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Jul 03, 2015

Toad Sway-Jeep From Hell FinallyTamed!!

I have been chasing for several months a very uncomfortable and unsafe sway in our 2004 Winnebago E450 23D Aspect while towing a 2005 very stock Jeep Wrangler. While at highway speeds-especially above 62 mph, the motorhome would exhibit what seemed to be perhaps the classic "tail wagging" situation. I set-out to solve the problem and began to wonder if there actually was a solution. Let me begin by qualifying some of my experience. I've towed a Jeep Grand Cherokee, Ford Ranger, and even a GEO Tracker behind a Class A-All with very satisfactory results. However, this Jeep/Motorhome combination was getting me a bit down. Before I get slammed for "alignment, track bar, tire pressure, etc), yes, all done and done correctly on motorhome and Jeep (I have done this in my profession for nearly 40 years). All modifications I have done have helped-in fact, I did each one individually, one at a time and kept notes as to how much or how little effect each had. I will deal with those in a separate post over in the Class C Forum. This is all about the toad sway that I could not put my finger on. The Jeep was in top condition and handled like a Jeep TJ should. Nothing there that caused an issue. However, on the last leg of our trip into Colorado and over Monarch pass, I tried something just for kicks-I placed a bungie cord on the steering wheel that limited it's movement. I thought about trying to see what I might be able to eliminate and I had heard others trying it. This is not about putting a strap on the steering wheel-yes, not a good idea for a bunch of reasons but, to my surprise-NO MORE SWAY!! The Jeep was obviously over-steering as the motorhome made small corrections on the highway. Could I be on to something? When we got home last weekend, I started going over the Jeep. Everything checked within specs. I pulled the stock steering stabilizer off again and, yes, it was functioning as it should. I started wondering if adding an aftermarket stabilizer could make a difference? WOW!-That was it! I just now got back from the shake down 20 mile trip (with a 20mph side wind too) and I can happily say, FINALLY!! We have a combination that works as it should.

Was the stock Jeep stabilizer bad? No, doing what Chrysler intended but, by adding the aftermarket, dual stabilizer on the Jeep, ALL of the sway was removed. Was it a combination of a short motorhome (the 23D is just 25' long) with a short Toad? I don't know but, what I can say for sure, I am happy with the results.

I don't want this to turn into others telling me, "you should have done this, shouldn't have done that, you masked another problem" or whatever. I was getting near the end of my rope on this one and I am finally happy with the result.

I've did a bit of research and really have not ran across this one before on the Wrangler so, hopefully, perhaps my experiences might help others with a similar issue.

7 Replies

  • Solo, thanks for posting your experience and solution.

    Safe travels,

    ~Rick
  • I have occasionally placed a wrap of white tape on the steering wheel of the toad. Makes it easy to see in the rear cam or MH window if the toad steering is reacting as expected or giving undesired feedback to the MH.

    If course if you have slop in the front end of the toad it won't show at the steering wheel.
  • I towed an '05 Liberty behind a 26' Class A Flair, (SWB, long overhang) and it was a holy scary terror going downhill in the mountains while braking in the turns,.....felt like it could swap ends at any minute.
    Only one way to fix it, I got rid of it ! The same Jeep behind my 31 ft, a dream ride !
  • Ivylog's avatar
    Ivylog
    Explorer III
    I used to tow a big tired hunting Jeep behind my PU but the tail wagged the dog. Ended up tying the steering wheel straight ahead... Solved the wag and did not see any harmful tire wear dragging it around turns.
  • I, too, found that the OEM steering stabilizer was not really adequate.
    In my case, it was the dreaded "death wobble" in an '06 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited. After balancing tires, inspecting the entire steering system, and other things, I replace the steering stabilizer (shimmy dampener) with an aftermarket heavy duty single unit, and it solved the problem.
    The OEM Jeep dampener just isn't up to the job, especially with larger tires!
  • Hi,

    I had a different situation. I had successfully towed my Honda CRV many times to a campground in the foothills of a tall mountain. Going back to the interstate meant going downhill about 500' elevation over the 5 - 6 mile drive.

    Normally it was un-eventful. However after changing from all steel sidewall tires to a 'quiet' popular polyester sidewall tire (much like the ones used at my work) the ride changed! I took both the Honda and Ford based motorhome in for an alignment, both where within spec, and nothing needed to be adjusted.

    Changing the tires back to the much stiffer steel sidewall tires solved my problem. The car was pushing the back of the RV into the corners, and giving it the wiggles! Replaced the tires, and no problems.

    Fred.

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