Tragedy leads to no camping at Cottonwood, AZ Walmart

Sounds like a new reality show in the making. My Wallyworld life.

Oh wait there is already a family of nine living out of Suburban in Alaska.

OkSixpackP: I am sorry I misused the words "attractive nuisance."

Further research shows it only applies to children.

"In the law of torts, the attractive nuisance doctrine states that a landowner may be held liable for injuries to children trespassing on the land if the injury is caused by a hazardous object or condition on the land that is likely to attract children who are unable to appreciate the risk posed by the object or condition." Wiki

I make no excuses for the criminals here. They deserved what they got and more.

I agree that an honest person resists such temptations in a perfect world.

Unfortunately, we humans are imperfect creatures.

Most scams require a greedy person to be successful.

I still believe that, in their never ending quest for sales, WalMart has gone too far in allowing overnight parking.

Dog Folks wrote:

OkSixpack wrote:

Dog Folks wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks that this particular WalMart shares, at least, some of the blame?

According to RV Newsletter: "Cottonwood WalMart officials have met with local police to "discuss solutions to extended camping" in their lot."

Extending camping? Why was WalMart allowing this in the first place?

Overnight is one thing, "extended camping" is another

They share none of the blame what-so-ever!!! Period!!! I'm sick of people making excuses for criminals. The criminal is to blame, period. I can see a billfold or a firearm or anything else in a vehicle with the window down, and never would be tempted to steal it. Only a criminal would. And yes, I kpow this wasn't about stealing, but the theory is the same. And did I say, blame the criminal not the business or another innocent person?

I am NOT trying to reduce the blame for this "family," nor make any excuses for them. They are totally responsible.

WalMart allowed the "criminals" to stay on their property for an "extended" time. WalMart provided them a place to park, and a bathroom.

If this scum had been told to move on this may have never happened. They might have too busy looking for another place to live that they would not have had the time to assault an employee, and challenge the police.

I believe that allowing them to stay fostered a "This is MY place, and I will do what I want." Attitude. Similar to some long term tenants in an RV park. A sense of ownership, if you will.

Is WalMart creating an "attractive nuisance?"

Didn't mean to say that you personally were making excuses...having said that, an "attractive nuisance" is no more than an excuse to blame someone other than the criminal. An honest person won't be tempted by an "attractive nuisance".

westernrvparkowner wrote:

Dog Folks wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks that this particular WalMart shares, at least, some of the blame?

According to RV Newsletter: "Cottonwood WalMart officials have met with local police to "discuss solutions to extended camping" in their lot."

Extending camping? Why was WalMart allowing this in the first place?

Overnight is one thing, "extended camping" is another

Once again, the devil lies in the details. I would venture to say that the suburban probably moved every day or so. Though most people would say that is "extended" camping, it may not be in the eyes of the law. Kind of like the people that move their car a couple of spaces every couple of hours in the two hour parking zone. How many overnights would be allowed under a no extended camping rule? Would one day in and one day out to the Home Depot then back again to Walmart be extended camping? Say you are very strict with the old suburban, should that strict enforcement be extended to the Prevost parked next to them, or does the rule not apply to them? Get too selective you will end up with a big discrimination lawsuit on your hands that you will most likely lose. At the very least, you risk having the truth twisted into extremely bad publicity.
On a much less serious scale (no gunplay involved, hopefully) we face this issue daily. Quiet hours, no campfires, pet rules, no climbing on rocks etc. etc. etc. is tested almost daily. Zero tolerance doesn't work and neither does a laissez faire devil may care attitude. Having and enforcing policies is not anywhere nearly as easy as most posters make it out to be.

I understand your position.

So I guess, sadly, the only way out for WalMart is to ban all overnight parking unilaterally.

Pogoil wrote:

mich800 wrote:

crudeman wrote:

coolbreeze01 wrote:
Folks talk about overnighting at WM all the time. If sleeping with felons is peaceful, sleep tight.

You really think there's never a felon or two in a campground?

Nope, they are all at Walmart.

http://www.lebanondemocrat.com/article/crime/534151

http://wkrn.com/2015/03/23/wisonsin-murder-suspects-arrested-at-millersville-campground/

http://wqad.com/2014/09/07/woman-dies-at-maquoketa-campground/

http://www.timesnews.net/article/9082754/let-me-show-you-something-gunplay-in-campground-garners-felony-arrest

I will take my chances at a campground. Skipro3 summed it up nicely and said what many wanted to say.

Pogoil.

Not really he just expressing his personal choices and wanting everyone to think that way IMO. Hey its not for everybody which is fair enough but no need in cutting folks that choose the other choices.

mich800 wrote:

crudeman wrote:

coolbreeze01 wrote:
Folks talk about overnighting at WM all the time. If sleeping with felons is peaceful, sleep tight.

You really think there's never a felon or two in a campground?

Nope, they are all at Walmart.

http://www.lebanondemocrat.com/article/crime/534151

http://wkrn.com/2015/03/23/wisonsin-murder-suspects-arrested-at-millersville-campground/

http://wqad.com/2014/09/07/woman-dies-at-maquoketa-campground/

http://www.timesnews.net/article/9082754/let-me-show-you-something-gunplay-in-campground-garners-felony-arrest

I will take my chances at a campground. Skipro3 summed it up nicely and said what many wanted to say.

Pogoil.

Lot of arrogance showing up here.

crudeman wrote:

coolbreeze01 wrote:
Folks talk about overnighting at WM all the time. If sleeping with felons is peaceful, sleep tight.

You really think there's never a felon or two in a campground?

Nope, they are all at Walmart.

http://www.lebanondemocrat.com/article/crime/534151

http://wkrn.com/2015/03/23/wisonsin-murder-suspects-arrested-at-millersville-campground/

http://wqad.com/2014/09/07/woman-dies-at-maquoketa-campground/

http://www.timesnews.net/article/9082754/let-me-show-you-something-gunplay-in-campground-garners-felony-arrest

Pogoil wrote:
Note to self.

Walmart is not a camp site! Never understood it, never will.

I like to BBQ. and sit out and enjoy a cold one after a days driving.
Guess it may work for the folks who just like to pull in and close all blinds and curtains up.

Pogoil.

Lol some of my favorites has a Chili's or like out front, one in particular has a Sam's next door and a Logans in front. Shut er down and go have a few beers and dinner for nitey nitey time. :B

coolbreeze01 wrote:
Folks talk about overnighting at WM all the time. If sleeping with felons is peaceful, sleep tight.

You really think there's never a felon or two in a campground?