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maria_bettina
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Apr 04, 2019

XC Trip with 12yo - TT or PUP? WWYD?

My son and I want to travel around the country when he is in 7th grade (a year from now). We have an old '92 Terry Travel Trailer (TT) currently. Out tow rig is a '10 Toyota Tundra 5.7L 4WD with a topper.

Last summer I saw a family with a pop-up tent trailer (PUP) at Glacier NP and packing up in the rain and folding up that tent trailer seemed... wet. Though on the other hand, the towing is so mcuh easier than a TT.

My question to you is, what would is your best/easiest mode of travel, assuming you will be driving thousands of miles (10k likely) over the course of a few months -- Old TT or New PUP?

(I have toyed with the idea of a cabover camper for the Tundra, but the payload is only 1640#, so even with a FWC Hawk shell, I would maxxing out the payload. In addition, wouldn't the small space be an issue after a while?)

Travel trailer seems like the obvious choice, but towing would get really tiring, especially if you are going 800+ miles in a couple days. And the lack of parking for RVs and any city driving... I dunno, seems daunting. Towing a pop-up seems SO much easier... but then there's the set up and take down every night or every couple nights. Is it really as bad as I imagine? Do they leak like tents when in steady rain for a few days? We will definitely be hitting rain, and we may head up to Jasper and Banff, so it'll be chilly though I intend to steer clear of snow.

What are the pros and cons of a TT vs PUP? What Would You Do (WWYD)?

PS I am also thinking of buying a new or slightly used Forest River Cherokee Wolf Pup 16BHS thinking it might be easier to maneuver and see behind me since it's 7' wide (as opposed to the 8' TT I have now). Not sure if that makes a difference. :?

Thanks in advance for your insight!
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  • SoundGuy's avatar
    SoundGuy
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    Apr 04, 2019
    maria_bettina wrote:
    My question to you is, what would is your best/easiest mode of travel, assuming you will be driving thousands of miles (10k likely) over the course of a few months -- Old TT or New PUP?


    Our family of 4 did a LOT of long distance travel camping when our boys were younger but eventually we moved to The Darkside. That said, for just 2 people traveling long distances I would go neither but instead an A frame trailer like Aliner or Chalet - all the benefits of towing a low profile trailer, not the least of which is little hit to your fuel mileage, but without the hassle of dealing with wet tenting. Win-Win. :B
  • maria_bettina's avatar
    maria_bettina
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    Apr 04, 2019
    parker.rowe wrote:
    If you were doing a lot of stops along the way with one night stays, I would prefer a TT.

    Setting up the pop up and breaking it down each night to move to the next campground would get old quick. And it really cuts into the amount of time you have to enjoy each new location.

    We found that out on out first long multi stop trip last summer. We have a hybrid, so set up time is between a standard TT and a pop-up.

    On our next trip we plan to stop at least 2 nights at each campground to get a chance to check things out.


    How do you like the hybrid? If we buy a new (or slightly used) TT, a hydrid is an option. We looked at one 10 years ago when we bought the '92 Terry TT, but my hubbie poopoo'd the hybrid. I forget why. The TT we have now has served us well but it may be time to sell and move to a newer one. :P
  • maria_bettina's avatar
    maria_bettina
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    Apr 04, 2019
    p220sigman wrote:
    I have a Pup, but don't think I would want to do a cross-country, moving ever day or so, trip in it. I have set-up/take down procedures down pretty well. I can set-up in about 15 minutes (10 if I really hoof it) and can take down in slightly more time, but I agree with the comment above that it would get old pretty quickly. While not a super long time, it is slower than setting up a TT.

    Taking down in the rain isn't that big of a deal, but it does take planning, especially if you are setting back up and using it later that day. If we have to take down in the rain, I have a couple of pieces of plastic that I cover the mattresses and bedding with, just in case, but I've never had even the plastic get wet. It has more to do with how you tuck the tenting material in than anything else. That said, you are going to get wet if it is raining while you are packing up. We've never had ours leak and we have been in some pretty sever thunderstorms with lots of wind and rain.

    Given the choice of the Pup or a TT, I'd take the TT. Certainly you are less likely to have issues with a newer TT if you can swing it. If you take the '92 TT, I have the tires, brakes, and bearings checked before embarking on such a trip.

    I don't think a truck camper is a realistic option for your truck for this type of trip. Certainly the Pup is going to be the easiest towing option, but the beauty of doing a long trip like this is that if you see you are getting tired from driving, just pick a point of interest and stay a few days to rest.

    The most important part is to have fun. Your son will remember this trip for the rest of his life.


    Thank you for replying. My thoughts are in line with yours... though I keep going round and round. :C
  • p220sigman's avatar
    p220sigman
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    Apr 04, 2019
    I have a Pup, but don't think I would want to do a cross-country, moving ever day or so, trip in it. I have set-up/take down procedures down pretty well. I can set-up in about 15 minutes (10 if I really hoof it) and can take down in slightly more time, but I agree with the comment above that it would get old pretty quickly. While not a super long time, it is slower than setting up a TT.

    Taking down in the rain isn't that big of a deal, but it does take planning, especially if you are setting back up and using it later that day. If we have to take down in the rain, I have a couple of pieces of plastic that I cover the mattresses and bedding with, just in case, but I've never had even the plastic get wet. It has more to do with how you tuck the tenting material in than anything else. That said, you are going to get wet if it is raining while you are packing up. We've never had ours leak and we have been in some pretty sever thunderstorms with lots of wind and rain.

    Given the choice of the Pup or a TT, I'd take the TT. Certainly you are less likely to have issues with a newer TT if you can swing it. If you take the '92 TT, I have the tires, brakes, and bearings checked before embarking on such a trip.

    I don't think a truck camper is a realistic option for your truck for this type of trip. Certainly the Pup is going to be the easiest towing option, but the beauty of doing a long trip like this is that if you see you are getting tired from driving, just pick a point of interest and stay a few days to rest.

    The most important part is to have fun. Your son will remember this trip for the rest of his life.
  • maria_bettina's avatar
    maria_bettina
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    Apr 04, 2019
    Merrykalia wrote:
    The "easiest" would be a nice little Class C MH, but the most efficient would be a small TT. Any type of smaller self-contained TT will be the best configuration. A popup, as has been mentioned, requires lots of setup and takedown. We loved ours, but with young kids, it became a real pain.

    From looking at your signature, I am guessing that you are the mother of a 12 year old boy, so having one bed will most likely not be the best configuration and you will need at least two beds.

    Do your homework on weights and towing. Do NOT believe any dealer on what your truck will tow. It's amazing that a truck like the Tundra will only tow small trailers safely.

    I was looking at Craigslist in Sacramento and found a few things that you PROBABLY can tow, plus at least one Class B and some Class Cs.

    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/sacramento-2012-jayfeather-ultralite/6857725456.html

    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvd/d/loomis-new2019-navi-16bh-travel/6857311964.html

    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/lincoln-2006-chateau-citation-24ft/6857873955.html

    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/placerville-2016-thor-gemini/6852011167.html

    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/auburn-2005-winnebago-minnie-24ft-class/6857382760.html


    OMgosh! Thank you! We have a 12k# towing limit (maybe 15k#). It was the max we could get. I don't think we have an issue with weight of the TT. But I prefer lighter. (It's the payload that's the issue, not towing.)

    I don't think we'll be getting a Class C because it's not practical. We already have 3 cars and 2 adults, so another rig sitting around most of the time is a waste. We also need the truck to tow our utility trailer and do rural/farm stuff on the property.

    I think it's either:
    A) A travel trailer (either the one we have, which always has some issue because it's so old),

    B) A new TT - Wolf Pup Bunkhouse model (not a fan of a fiberglass TT because I am worried about delamination and dents that are hard to fix),

    C) Cabover shell - 4WC Hawk or ATC Panther (dry, so we can limit the weight, but then there's the issue of no shower)

    D) a PUP may be out of the running because it's such a pain to setup and take down...

    Our budget is approx $10k, but obviously would rather spend nothing. Heh. So even the Hawk shell is pushing our budget ($11k plus tax and install) and that's only for a sleeping area on the truck. *sigh*
  • MDKMDK's avatar
    MDKMDK
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    Apr 04, 2019
    maria_bettina wrote:
    MDKMDK wrote:
    Camper van (aka Type/Class B Van).
    Gently used might be the best answer. You can drive all day, park anywhere (pretty much), and when it's time for bed, pull over, park and sleep.

    Hmm, I briefly looked at those and they seemed pricey (at least the ones I want! haha). Maybe a cabover camper Hawk shell is the way to go... with airbags. Ugh. I hate to spend $12k for a shell model. gah. But it DOES make sense. I will be the only one driving, cooking, etc. My son helps, but...


    The good news is, you've got a year to figure it out.
    In theory, you could sell the truck/trailer you have now, and buy something in a Class B van used, which could become your everyday driver to replace the Tundra. Lots of folks drive their vans daily, they probably get about the same or not much worse in gas mileage, than your truck/trailer combo. It will also free you up from any trailer storage situation you might have now, or make room in your driveway, at the least.
    Or, as has been suggested, maybe a small Class C, but it probably wouldn't work as well as a daily driver, once the road trip ends.
    Just throwing out ideas. Non-towing, as that's my preference, unless it's a destination camping trip, and a towed is necessary. Then I tow.
  • Merrykalia's avatar
    Merrykalia
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    Apr 04, 2019
    The "easiest" would be a nice little Class C MH, but the most efficient would be a small TT. Any type of smaller self-contained TT will be the best configuration. A popup, as has been mentioned, requires lots of setup and takedown. We loved ours, but with young kids, it became a real pain.

    From looking at your signature, I am guessing that you are the mother of a 12 year old boy, so having one bed will most likely not be the best configuration and you will need at least two beds.

    Do your homework on weights and towing. Do NOT believe any dealer on what your truck will tow. It's amazing that a truck like the Tundra will only tow small trailers safely.

    I was looking at Craigslist in Sacramento and found a few things that you PROBABLY can tow, plus at least one Class B and some Class Cs.

    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/sacramento-2012-jayfeather-ultralite/6857725456.html

    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvd/d/loomis-new2019-navi-16bh-travel/6857311964.html

    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/lincoln-2006-chateau-citation-24ft/6857873955.html

    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/placerville-2016-thor-gemini/6852011167.html

    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/auburn-2005-winnebago-minnie-24ft-class/6857382760.html
  • maria_bettina's avatar
    maria_bettina
    Explorer
    Apr 04, 2019
    MDKMDK wrote:
    Camper van (aka Type/Class B Van).
    Gently used might be the best answer. You can drive all day, park anywhere (pretty much), and when it's time for bed, pull over, park and sleep.

    Hmm, I briefly looked at those and they seemed pricey (at least the ones I want! haha). Maybe a cabover camper Hawk shell is the way to go... with airbags. Ugh. I hate to spend $12k for a shell model. gah. But it DOES make sense. I will be the only one driving, cooking, etc. My son helps, but...
  • MDKMDK's avatar
    MDKMDK
    Explorer
    Apr 04, 2019
    Camper van (aka Type/Class B Van).
    Gently used might be the best answer. You can drive all day, park anywhere (pretty much), and when it's time for bed, pull over, park and sleep.
  • parker_rowe's avatar
    parker_rowe
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    Apr 04, 2019
    If you were doing a lot of stops along the way with one night stays, I would prefer a TT.

    Setting up the pop up and breaking it down each night to move to the next campground would get old quick. And it really cuts into the amount of time you have to enjoy each new location.

    We found that out on out first long multi stop trip last summer. We have a hybrid, so set up time is between a standard TT and a pop-up.

    On our next trip we plan to stop at least 2 nights at each campground to get a chance to check things out.

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