You tell me......believable LOL

The 80/20 rule most likely applies to the salary range posted in the ad. 80% of the techs earn closer to $40k, while only 20% approach the $120k.

RV sales? Sure there are some earning a nice living, but at the big dealerships, likely not as many as you think. When a sale has very little gross profit in the deal (which is common today), many dealers pay a "flat" commission of a measly $200, $300 for a motorhome. If the salesperson is selling 6-10 units/month, that's not much income. Usually, the job is commission only too, so try raising a family on that pitiful salary. That's why turnover is so high in the industry.

run100 wrote:
The 80/20 rule most likely applies to the salary range posted in the ad. 80% of the techs earn closer to $40k, while only 20% approach the $120k.

RV sales? Sure there are some earning a nice living, but at the big dealerships, likely not as many as you think. When a sale has very little gross profit in the deal (which is common today), many dealers pay a "flat" commission of a measly $200, $300 for a motorhome. If the salesperson is selling 6-10 units/month, that's not much income. Usually, the job is commission only too, so try raising a family on that pitiful salary. That's why turnover is so high in the industry.

Your absolutely right...of course. If it was so easy that 100% of the people could do it, there would be no reason to pay anybody that kind of money!

stumbled across this tale a while back: The ad read "wanted, welder, $18-$24 per hour." The employer's foreman was surprised when the applicant turned in two sample welds instead of the standard one. One was a beautiful bead laid down with machine precision, smooth and ready to paint. The other was irregular, had lots of spatter and numerous slag inclusions. The foreman asked why two samples. The applicant replied, "one is a $24 weld, the other is an $18 weld."

sneakygroundbuzzard wrote:
well i was an auto tech for 25 years
if they are being paid flat rate hours,and the tech is good and eficiant at what he does.then i would say its quit possible.

i got paid by the hour for every hour worked,any flat rate hours over 40 i got paid for also.
i could do 60-70 hours of flat rate work a week,and i rarely ever put in 40 hours on the clock to do it.i made a very good living.just got to hard on the body,especially with arthritis.so i switched careers.

Its called "flag rate" not "flat rate".

It was was flat rate for my 44 years in the business. Like anything else you can call it whatever you want. Different areas of the country would be an example.

allen8106 wrote:

sneakygroundbuzzard wrote:
well i was an auto tech for 25 years
if they are being paid flat rate hours,and the tech is good and eficiant at what he does.then i would say its quit possible.

i got paid by the hour for every hour worked,any flat rate hours over 40 i got paid for also.
i could do 60-70 hours of flat rate work a week,and i rarely ever put in 40 hours on the clock to do it.i made a very good living.just got to hard on the body,especially with arthritis.so i switched careers.

Its called "flag rate" not "flat rate".

Forty years in the business with dealerships on both coasts and in the middle and it was always "flat rate" anywhere I went.

allen8106 wrote:

sneakygroundbuzzard wrote:
well i was an auto tech for 25 years
if they are being paid flat rate hours,and the tech is good and eficiant at what he does.then i would say its quit possible.

i got paid by the hour for every hour worked,any flat rate hours over 40 i got paid for also.
i could do 60-70 hours of flat rate work a week,and i rarely ever put in 40 hours on the clock to do it.i made a very good living.just got to hard on the body,especially with arthritis.so i switched careers.

Its called "flag rate" not "flat rate".

Automotive Labor Time Flat Rate Guides by Chilton & Motor

Now they're called "Labor Guides", but we've always called them "Flat Rate" manuals in the industry.

I've always heard it referred to as book time, as in the book time on that repair is X hours. Then again I've always dealt with smaller shops where I'm paying the hourly rate and they'll quote me the book rate and adjust as the work actually progresses.

afidel wrote:
I've always heard it referred to as book time, as in the book time on that repair is X hours. Then again I've always dealt with smaller shops where I'm paying the hourly rate and they'll quote me the book rate and adjust as the work actually progresses.

Flat rate is a system. Book Time is the allocation of time for a particular job within that system.