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cannesdo
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Aug 06, 2014

2nd non-ducted A/C ceiling unit (or portable?)..questions...

Are some quieter than others? Or are there others? I've only found the Penguin. This one would be in the bedroom area. Anything else to consider? 36' and one A/C just doesn't cut it. The temp hovers at 80 in there in there on even an 80 degree day with no shade. I can't take it anymore. They have some great fall deals on space in Phoenix and I don't mind heat in general and I'd like to take advantage of them but can't given that I work from my rig and can't stand to be in it until the outside temps drop below 80.

And any experience with portable air conditioners? In terms of the noise? Power usage etc...v. the ceiling units?

Thanks...

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  • IDK if you are still looking, but the Coleman Mach 1 sounds like the answer to your problems! No heat strip though, as it appears the wiring is not "rated" for it. I'm not sure how that is possible, but that's what the lawyer sticker says...
  • Ah, word on the street is that these are very very loud. They sell a fan blade upgrade kit that knocks off about 8 decibles but I'm still concerned. Interested in the Polar cub 49201 -- does anyone have that model? Can you speak to how loud it is?
  • Chinolbz wrote:
    The Coleman Mach 8 is low profile (8") and weights 90#. Don't have a recent cost. Chino


    Perfect! Thanks! :)
  • The Coleman Mach 8 is low profile (8") and weights 90#. Don't have a recent cost. Chino
  • Ok, look what I found. This is the junction box inside the closet right next to the vent hole where the schematic says the optional A/C is. Does this mean the wiring is all ready to install the 2nd A/C? I'd rather not remove the caulk and everything to look -- oh, maybe I can remove the bottom part and access the wiring from there...to look? -- Seems to me this is ready for a 2nd unit. That's good news. And now I have the info I need to get the right one as well.
  • Checked it today when it was 75 degrees inside and outside. The air just inside the A/C vent was 43 degrees. So I think the unit is working normally. Something about my rig, maybe the big window....it's very hard to cool off. So...I think a second unit is definitely in order.

    Wondering though, as I mentioned -- if the schematic shows a 2nd a/c option at a certain vent does that mean it's most likely wired for a unit, whether that option was chosen or not?

    And if it's not?

    Thanks for your help...
  • Golden_HVAC wrote:
    Hi,

    If it is 80F outside and inside, time to check the performance of your rooftop A/C unit. If it is taking in 80F air, then the output should be 18 - 22F cooler, or around 60F.


    Thanks for the info, Fred!


    That's in full sun. I believe my A/C is in good shape. The air coming out is cold. It's just that I have 36 feet of fifth wheel and a massive back window. 40 square feet of glass. Even if the sun isn't shining directly on it and the blinds are down it lets in a lot of heat. It's 63 in here right now and I just turned on the air to see what it was coming out of the vents with the probe and it's 54 degrees. (I'll check that again tomorrow when it's warmer. It's cold. It's just not enough. My rig is insulated well but with the skylights (which I block with foam core during the summer) and that big back window it will stay comfortable until early to mid afternoon, then it's a battle to just keep it at 80. if it's 88 to 90 I can keep it at about 82, but on any day over 80, in the sun, it will eventually hit 80 inside. Temp in the sun outside can be topping 100 at that point so it's not as hot as the outside temp but still, I'd like to be able to keep it at 75 however hot it is outside.

    I think I just need a second smaller unit in the front. But I can't run the blow dryer, for example, when the main A/C is on, on 30A, so I am pretty sure for two I'd need 50A but that's not usually a problem. My other A/C is a 15K BTU. I know, hard to believe but most big rigs do have two A/Cs. It just turns into a cooker by afternoon then I spend the whole evening trying to get it cooled off.

    I have an open vent with no fan in it in the bathroom area. Schematics show that was an option for that vent but the original buyers evidently passed on that. Does that mean it's likely wired for the 2nd unit already? There's an electrical plug inside behind the drawers below it which I use when I need to run two electric heaters at once. It's there for the optional wash/dryer which they also passed on. Do these A/C's in the roof every just run off a plug?
  • Hi,

    If it is 80F outside and inside, time to check the performance of your rooftop A/C unit. If it is taking in 80F air, then the output should be 18 - 22F cooler, or around 60F.

    Getting a inside/outside thermometer can monitor the system. Just use the outside probe to measure the air out of the ductwork, and see what it is doing. I put one out my side window for a while, and had it sitting next to my dinette table, and then I can tell how warm it is outside. Later I installed it in my bedroom, and secured the outside temp sensor under the RV, in the shade, so I can get up and see what it is like outside. When driving, I guess it is picking up the engine heat, as I know that the max temp outside was not 128F!

    A portable A/C with two hoses will take in outside air, heat it, then blow it back outside. It will work, but the A/C and all it's noise will be in the room with you. As explained a couple of days ago to someone else, a single pipe portable A/C takes cooled and dry inside air, at about 150 CFM and blows it outside to cool the portable A/C, thus a 300 square foot RV with 8' ceilings will get all the air blown outside in about 16 minutes, bringing in new unfiltered moist outside air to replace all that is consumed by the portable A/C unit. So it will be noisy and hot with a single pipe unit.

    Your roof top A/C, the motor sits outside (under a cover) so it's heat and noise is outside, not warming the air inside the RV. The compressor likewise is outside, any heat it gives off is outside. The outdoor coil also uses outside air to cool it. So they are much more efficient than a portable A/C with all that noisy stuff right next to your bed or dinette table.

    Penguin is a good brand name from what I have heard. Check by removing the inside cover of your rear roof vent. In mine, I found 12 volt wiring from the panel that was live, and I hooked up a Fantastic fan in the bedroom, bath and kitchen. I did not find 120 volt wires pre-installed at the factory, but it might be up there, I was not looking for it. Yours might be different anyway!

    If you find the wiring, and have some strong friends, especially one with a pickup and 6' or 8' ladder, putting the ladder into the pickup gives you a platform that is 5' off the ground to work from. You can practically hand the A/C from the pickup to the rooftop, then put it on a thick blanket, while you work on installing it. Several layers of the blanket will keep it from poking expensive holes into the roof surface. I think that the A/C will range from 60 to 100 pounds, check the website for exact details.

    The opening is basically the same with all manufactures. 14" square, and normally it is really 14-1/4". You remove the old vent, sealants, and clean the roof. Put down the gasket, set the A/C into place, connect 4 bolts to the inside surface mount, and then snug those bolts to tighten the gasket between the A/C and roof. No sealant is used, so that the gasket will be easy to replace in about 15 years. Snug the bolts again in about 6 months and at every 2 years after that.

    9,000 Btu's should be a quiet unit, and also allow the front unit to cycle off from time to time, and be low enough wattage that if you are at a 30 amp site, the front 14 amp A/C and new rear 9 amp A/C will both run without a problem. However many report running two A/C units on a 30 amp site without problems, so you might find that the smallest stock A/C is a 13,500 Btu model.

    If your current A/C is only cooling the air by about 10F or 14F, then it is probably low on Freon, and needs to be recharged or replaced. It can take over 4 hours to fix a leak, that can cost upwards of $500, and you can buy a new unit with a full warranty for that kind of money.

    Good luck on your decision, and happy camping!

    Fred.