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Timmo_
Oct 08, 2021Explorer II
time2roll wrote:Timmo! wrote:Distributed solar can reduce the need for transmission lines.
If a forest fire is caused by electric transmission lines, then it is not an act of nature. PG&E has caused more fires than Carters has pills. The need for building more transmission lines will increase exponentially as BEV ownership increases. Ergo, more fires.
Windmills kill bird and requires a huge landmass (somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 of USA) to provide the power this nation needs.
Solar has a similar problem, and would require about 25% of USA's land to provide the power needed.
But the power generated from current and alternative power still needs to go from here....to there. And its a fact, fires caused by electrical transmission result in more damage ($) than oil spills.
Cats kill more birds than windmills. Do we outlaw cats too?
Google says solar would need 10 million acres or 0.4% of land to provide ALL US electricity. Rooftop solar takes up zero extra space, zero extra transmission lines.
Homey, I wish your info was true....but the power density (kWh per square acre) varies between type and which professional you talk to.
Bloommberg News (not a big oil fan) produced a graphic report from Princeton University's research on land use required to achieve zero emission by 2050.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-energy-land-use-economy/
...and following are some of those graphics.
What the current energy mix looks like:

And it currently occupies about 4% of the continuous U.S. states (about equal to the size of Iowa and Missouri).

Now what is needed for 2050? The most land intensive quadruples the land need and....(drum roll please)...Wind Farms will require the size of Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska and Oklahoma. Solar? Don't know, maybe an array on every rooftop?

....and for the smallest land footprint will require nukes (Homey, here's your 0.4%)

...and those transmission lines, what it looks like now

...and it will need to triple

Moral of the story: Google is not truthful. Google says 10 million acres of solar farms will do, Princeton says a mix of 17 million acres of solar farms PLUS 265 million acres of wind farms will be required. Hmmmm, I'll trust Princeton.
Can I get an AMEN?
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