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alaska_av8r
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Jan 24, 2015

50 amp service, Inverter vs Converter

Sorry I originally had this posted in travel trailer section then moved it here.

I am in the process of gutting out an 18 foot travel trailert, all I have left is the shower and head. I have some electrical questions and looking for advice.

I am thinking of going with 50 amp service as well. The trailer currently has a 30 amp cord running to a dead converter. I am thinking I need to add a service box then run the AC out of that on breakers .

I am not sure the best way to go here but one option I guess is to go with a converter to power doc and charge batteries, then install an inverter. What I can't figure out is how to get AC to the outlets from the inverter without some sort of switching, don't wanna cause problems with two sources of AC trying to feed outlet at same time.
I know on boats they make charger/inverters that handle the switching for you but the camper ones I have seen are too expensive, any suggestions? I'd like to settle on a plan so I can get this ordered.

Thanks
Tim

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  • You gutted it
    What are you going to do with it ?
    Why do you think you need a 50 amp service ( 2 legs 120v_50 amp = 100 amps 120v )

    In an 18 ft trailer, mobile work shop? Big welder, wood working equipment?

    You don't have room for a large battery bank, so a small inverter for entertainment is All you need, you won't have the battery power for MW etc..
    Use a converter for charging your two batteries, And dedicated outlets run directly from the inverter (not the breaker panel) for the tv etc
  • I think on a 18ft. Trailer going for 50 amps is BIG over-kill. More money, more complication, and I can't think of any benefit.

    Unless you're planning on a large true sine wave inverter to power everything(that you don't want to pay the big bucks for a converter/inverter leads me to think you want to power electronic "stuff"), trying to get AC to all outlets is probably more trouble and expense than necessary.

    Everything essential is on 12V DC.

    I installed a heavy (10 gage, fused at the battery) 12 Volt line directly to a cig-lighter outlet near the entertainment center. When we want to watch a flick dry camping, I just plug in my 150 watt pure sine wave inverter and use it to power the TV & DVD. Many electronics will work with a MSW inverter which is even cheaper (my TV will, DVD won't). I have a 12V to double USB converter for small electronics, and 12V chargers for cell phones, and camera batteries.

    Doug
  • With an 18' trailer, you can probably save the expense of a transfer switch by wiring in an inverter and using a multi-tap strip to run cords the short distance to the appliances.

    FWIW, I rewired my trailer with 50 amp service when I restored it. It is no more work than installing a 30 amp service. Prices start to rise when using a 50 amp power inlet and a 50 amp cord (they don't give those away).
    Good luck with your project!
  • wa8yxm's avatar
    wa8yxm
    Explorer III
    Two ways rv's are wired, this is customized for a trailer w/o a generator

    Shore--Main breaker box === lines from branch breakers to assorted loads.
    (IE: television, entainerment, Microwave, Water heater, Fridge, Converter, Otlets and air conditioners)

    and with an inverter

    Shore--Main--Branch breakers to heavy loads (A/C, W/H, Fridge and optionally converter,, and ONE more breaker (big one) to the inverter/charger's AC in terminals)

    (shore-Main-Branch to inverter)--INVERTER---Sub panel (NOTE)--Smaller loads like TV/entairment center, Microwave, Outlets

    NOTE that the sub panel may be built into the inverter/converter

    If you have a generator and auto transfer switch it is the same as above but

    Generator to ATS
    Shore to ATS
    Ats to Main box as above.

    Inverters come in 2x2xmany for this discussion

    1a: inline, this type (Described above) auto transfers from Shore to inverter, both charges batteries (When shore present) and uses them (when not) it is what I have and love, very good UPS.

    2A: Stand alone: you need to provide manual switchign, only uses batteries, you will need independent charger/converter

    1B: True sine wave
    2B: MSW

    Let me give you the list of things that will not work with a true sine wave inverter:

    All devices needing more power than it can deliver.

    Now,, on the list of things that eitehr will, or may not work properly on an MSW, that of course, starts the list.

    And it is a very long list including some coffee pots, electric blanets, clocks and anything with a timer, NIGHT LIGHTS believe it or not.. in shore a long list.

    on the other hand they may work fine.. but why risk it.
  • You need a transfer switch. Or plug the main cord into the inverter and then you are the transfer switch.
  • I have plugged into shore power with my inverter on with no problem.
    I have a converter/chargwr and inverter is separate.

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