A Preston Tucker redux??

azrving wrote:
Another interesting aspect of EV evolution will be charging stations. Some believe that tsla will have some edge on all the others as far as charging stations. It could also be argued that tsla may just be the one who is going first and burning money. The government did mandate obd2 standards for all so they may do the same when it comes to charging infrastructure. I find that more likely over having a dozen different charging stations and connector styles. Time will tell.

Well, i don't know about a dozen but I agree that at sometime others will buy into the tesla supercharger network.

There are presently three standards for DC fast charging.

Tesla.
Chademo (mostly japanese vehicles)
CCS. Mostly european vehicles.

However most non Tesla DC fast chargers in north america are "Combo chargers" and have both a Chademo and CCS connecters. They are also quite prevalent in europe.

And having said that, most of the DC fast chargers in the world are Tesla.

Level 2 (or alternating current feeds) is another story. J1772 is the boss here and although there are a few different connecters used all EV's are compatible with the format. After that it is a matter of buying adapters so you can plug in to 120 volt or 240 volt at various amperages. As well Tesla also uses J1772 format but they use their own connecter. Teslas come with an adapter to connect to any J1772 plug and a non Tesla person can buy an adapter to connect to a Tesla destination charger. (we have one and occasionally use it all the J1772 chargers are full and a Tesla wall charger is open. This occasionally happens in public charging areas, wineries, shopping centres etc)

So although there are a few different connectors it is not a show stopper for those of us driving EV's.

It is interesting to watch plug share activity and watch the amount of level 2 (mostly) and level three chargers popping up on a daily basis. One of the casinos in this area recently added a dozen level 2 chargers. Open to the public. Free. But you have to walk past the casino or the restaurants on the way out of the parking area. They figured it out and like many businesses the loss leader power of level 2 chargers and to some degree level 3 chargers is compelling. Restaurants are starting to figure it out to. I noticed a greek restaurant add one here this year. Think it may be time to get some souvlaki. :)

3 tons wrote:
Consider addressing my argument, The strawman ADA matter is merely a diversion...

ADA was my stand alone comment. Maybe you are off topic.

DANG! I NEVER THOUGHT THAT WOULD HAPPEN! Why DIDN'T THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE CATCH THIS IN THE PLANNING STAGES?




Images from the future

azrving wrote:
Ralph, maybe you have never been in an industrial environment. All the ugly stuff is out back. Repair holding lots, vehicle shipping, deliveries, emergency fire/water tanks, freon tanks, welding gas, mobile equipment repair and skilled trades facilities....

I've only been to factories for GM, F, Chrysler so maybe tsla has the ability to have zero vehicles needing something. To not have any issues from outside vendors, paint, damage while building, parts shortages, in production part changes etc would be amazing. Whoever is contracted to mow the lawn seems to be doing a good job.

az, an attempt at humor, the bottom pic is Forest River LOL.

Another interesting aspect of EV evolution will be charging stations. Some believe that tsla will have some edge on all the others as far as charging stations. It could also be argued that tsla may just be the one who is going first and burning money. The government did mandate obd2 standards for all so they may do the same when it comes to charging infrastructure. I find that more likely over having a dozen different charging stations and connector styles. Time will tell.

time2roll wrote:

3 tons wrote:
“Anti-competitive cronyism”?? ....LMAO!!!!...... Meanwhile, gov’t subsidy exploiting (Federal and State) Tesla is at the top of the heap for anti-competitive cronyism - in fact it is the bases of their business model!!.....Adding charging stations mearly helps to imbed this cult ideology....

Bottom line is that there has been ZERO ‘empirical’ Science to suggest that EV’s are better for the environment than other propulsion means, whether gasoline or natural gas!!.... Gov’t mandates and grants ($$) are whats behind this scheme, which without the science is all it truly is.....

I have nothing against EV’s and bet they are a blast to drive, but reject the popularized ‘All Aboard the EV craze’ - as your next door neighbor helps pay for your higher virtue and personal indulgence...No doubt (thanks to cronyism) EV’s are here to stay, but Musk’s Tesla seems to be stumbling while simultaneously promising the moon....

http://autoweek.com/article/green-cars/report-teslas-assembly-speed-hurts-quality-control

With regards to a ‘purported cleaner environment’ BS, I’ll pass on the EV Kool-aid until the science (which is mearly assumed - nobody with vested interest seems interested in pursuing) is in..... Crickets from those who should be demanding these answers, without which is simply a juvenile endeavor - if not a cruel hoax...

3 tons

What does this have to do with Automobile Dealers Association pressuring State lawmakers to ban selling a vehicle unless it goes through the dealer network?

Can you imagine if Apple was not allowed to sell direct in half the states? Such as only allowed to sell through the phone providers because that is what Samsung does??

As for subsidies they are for ALL AUTOMAKERS and they do expire. This is not blocking anyone from getting the same advantage. Level playing field. No favorites, no cronyism. If you disagree with the government subsidy available to ALL then it is your Congressman you should be directing your frustration not Tesla.

Consider addressing my argument, The strawman ADA matter is merely a diversion...

With the staggering amount of ongoing losses at an overextended Tesla, Musk is pre-positioning himself to become a 21st century Tucker....He deserves credit for cultivating the green (how so??) govt subsidy market, but with some ‘serious’ EV competition just around the corner (from VW to Volvo and GM), I find myself already thinking about Tesla in past tense....Take heart EV lovers, EV’s will survive...

3 tons

Ralph, maybe you have never been in an industrial environment. All the ugly stuff is out back. Repair holding lots, vehicle shipping, deliveries, emergency fire/water tanks, freon tanks, welding gas, mobile equipment repair and skilled trades facilities....

I've only been to factories for GM, F, Chrysler so maybe tsla has the ability to have zero vehicles needing something. To not have any issues from outside vendors, paint, damage while building, parts shortages, in production part changes etc would be amazing. Whoever is contracted to mow the lawn seems to be doing a good job.

3 tons wrote:
“Anti-competitive cronyism”?? ....LMAO!!!!...... Meanwhile, gov’t subsidy exploiting (Federal and State) Tesla is at the top of the heap for anti-competitive cronyism - in fact it is the bases of their business model!!.....Adding charging stations mearly helps to imbed this cult ideology....

Bottom line is that there has been ZERO ‘empirical’ Science to suggest that EV’s are better for the environment than other propulsion means, whether gasoline or natural gas!!.... Gov’t mandates and grants ($$) are whats behind this scheme, which without the science is all it truly is.....

I have nothing against EV’s and bet they are a blast to drive, but reject the popularized ‘All Aboard the EV craze’ - as your next door neighbor helps pay for your higher virtue and personal indulgence...No doubt (thanks to cronyism) EV’s are here to stay, but Musk’s Tesla seems to be stumbling while simultaneously promising the moon....

http://autoweek.com/article/green-cars/report-teslas-assembly-speed-hurts-quality-control

With regards to a ‘purported cleaner environment’ BS, I’ll pass on the EV Kool-aid until the science (which is mearly assumed - nobody with vested interest seems interested in pursuing) is in..... Crickets from those who should be demanding these answers, without which is simply a juvenile endeavor - if not a cruel hoax...

3 tons

What does this have to do with Automobile Dealers Association pressuring State lawmakers to ban selling a vehicle unless it goes through the dealer network?

Can you imagine if Apple was not allowed to sell direct in half the states? Such as only allowed to sell through the phone providers because that is what Samsung does??

As for subsidies they are for ALL AUTOMAKERS and they do expire. This is not blocking anyone from getting the same advantage. Level playing field. No favorites, no cronyism. If you disagree with the government subsidy available to ALL then it is your Congressman you should be directing your frustration not Tesla.

azrving wrote:
When the breast is in the wringer.

Hmmm which factory are they talking about?

This one?



Or this one lol?