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lenr
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Sep 25, 2019

AGM Maintenance Questions

I've replaced the OEM batteries (looked more like starter batteries then deep cycle) in our new fifth wheel with Trojan T-105 AGM batteries (4 each in 2 12 volt banks so voltages below are 2 in series.) I'd like these to last as long as possible due to cost, thus some questions. I also replaced the WFCO charger with a Samlex 50 amp charger. I picked that charger partly because I can set dip switches to determine the charging profile as I plug the trailer into shore power after a day of discharging.

1) Another thread implied that it was important to absorption charge AGMs at 14.4 volts. Trojan recommends that voltage. How important is this for battery health as opposed to 14.0 volts or 13.5 volts which the Samplex may be set up for?

2) Trojan recommends absorption at 14.4 v for a maximum of 2 hours. The Samlex may be set for a maximum absorption charge of either 4 or 8 hours. Obviously I have picked the 4 hour maximum, but will that be a problem exceeding Trojan's recommendation?

3) Since a maximum absorption charging time is probably related to heat, would 14.0 volts at a maximum time of 4 hours be safer? I do have a temperature monitoring probe from the Samplex installed in one battery bank.

4) Samlex recommends that the absorption mode (dip switch settable) be skipped entirely when load such as in an RV is attached, because the charger will never see a low current flow that signals the end of absorption and a switch to float (13.5). In other words, Samplex says to set the dip switches to go straight to float of 13.5 volts at the end of bulk. Because of other indications that an absorption period of 14.4 is important, I'm reluctant to do this. The Samplex will drop out of absorption when current drops to 5 amps. This is pretty easy to accomplish by not turning on many lights in the RV, and that triggers the drop to 13.5 float. So, should I just program the 14.4 absorption for max 4 hours, assume the temperature probe will protect the batteries, and trigger float by turning off lights when I see that my battery monitor says the batteries are 100%?

Thanks

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  • Ignore the battery monitor's idea of when the AGMs are full. EG the Trimetric has a 1-2% of capacity as " full" except they require you to set an AH capacity. Unfortunately that capacity is highly variable with temperature and over time with age and condition of the batts. So it is fairly bogus right there, plus AGMs require amps to taper to 1/2 of 1% at 14.4v before they are full. So the Tri is out to lunch on that too.

    With a Tri, you just use your AH counter and your own existing estimate of bank capacity and do your own math for the SOC. Also do a cross check with voltage per SOC for your battery's spec allowing that you can't get quite to actual "resting" voltage while camping with always some low amp RV draw. You know when it is at its lowest draw, so use that--close enough! (ie wait till after the furnace is off for now and turn off the lights.)

    Sometimes the AH count and the voltage don't "match" for what the SOC should be. This is a clue that you need to do some checking on the situation. Sometimes that is because the AH counter needs resetting. You must kill the auto reset if you have solar for instance.

    I never try to get the AGMs or even the Wets truly full when camping off grid. You can't run the generator that long. On solar you run out of daylight. Just do what you can (50-90s eg) and wait till you have shore power and all kinds of time. Now you can go for the 0.5a/100AH using your Tri as the ammeter for noting when you get down to that 0.5a per.

    It will take hours and hours to get there. The AGMs will not heat up doing that.

    It sounds like that Samlex charger with its options will not do what you need, and also IMO you are mis-interpreting what Trojan says.

    See 5.22 for AGMs here: Nothing there about two hour limits! It says absorption ends when it gets down to 0.5. No time limit.

    https://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/TrojanBattery_UsersGuide.pdf

    Good thing you are on here asking, though. Proves that you have a clue! :)

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