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mlts22
Explorer II
Dec 16, 2013

Bladeless wind turbine...

Link here.

It purports to get past the Betz limit of what a conventional spinning turbine can do, has far fewer moving parts, and doesn't kill birds.

Of course, the animation of it wiggling around didn't seem to be that impressive. Any new tech is worth checking out, so I hope it actually is something marketable.

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  • Cars and trucks kill millions more birds than any wind turbine.
    So we should do away with all cars and trucks, right?
    How about the hundreds of thousands of bird strikes on aircraft?
    Good grief!
    And how about domestic cats......huge numbers!
  • westend wrote:
    Both of the wind generators posted above have serious physical deficiencies because they will loose energy when their driven parts come back into the wind. It has been proven many times over that a conventional Horizontal Axis Wind Turbine will harvest more energy than a any other like a Vertical Axis Wind Turbine or any of the other designs.
    ol.

    beg to differ,

    from Windside.com whos been around for 30 years and have these turbines installed in some of the worst weather condition of. the world

    Measuring
    Product testing

    Mechanical durability and torques of the new wind turbine were tested with the WS-0,30 model in the Finnish Technical Research Centre in the year 1981.
    In the year 1988 the same research centre tested the wind turbine again in its ship laboratory and a little later in its engine laboratory. Windside itself tested the turbine in Åland with an electric motor. At the same time, in 1989-91 the Finnish Army tested WS-4 turbine in the archipelago of Finland. The test lasted continuously 450 days. During this time the energy production was measured with the help of a computer, giving 8 values per second.

    An example of computer measuring in the archipelago of Finland in 1989-1991

    Generator production in Ah with different wind velocities in the Finnish coast, autumn 1989 - spring 1991. The measuring proves that Windside Wind Turbines produce energy at least 157 days more per year than the conventional horizontal propeller types.

    Already in the tests made in 1981 it was discovered that the vanes of the Windside turbine do not freeze while rotating. A customer, who uses the WS-0,15 model continuously in Utsjoki, Lappland, made the same discovery in the winter 1993-94: the vanes do not gather snow or ice while rotating, even in conditions in which all the other turbines freeze.

    Despite the excellent testing results, the strongest qualities of the turbine were discovered in the actual production usage. The strongest advantage of Windside lies in its ability to take advantage of even the lowest wind speeds.
    The electricity production of Windside begins even with the wind speeds as low as 2-3 m/s, and the bigger the turbine is, the lower wind speed it requires to start. According to measured results, the 3 m/s winds blew during 100 days per year in inland areas.
    The propeller models based on the traditional aeroplane engineering cannot take advantage of these light winds, usually their production begins at wind speeds of 4-5 m/s, from moving wind. The wind direction is not a significant factor for Windside, either, since the wind catches the spiral-shaped vanes always from the right angle. No automatic, easily broken turning mechanisms are needed.

    The studies made in the archipelago show that The Windside Wind Turbine produces a minimum 30-50 % more electricity per year than other wind turbines with the same swept area. Windside’s efficiency is better, when the wind speed is under 5 m/s.

    Furthermore, its vertical turbine is able to take advantage of all winds, while stormy winds and the changes in wind direction and turbulence significantly diminish the efficiency of the traditional models.
  • old guy wrote:
    sorry I wouldn't trust any thing that comes out of tunsia

    agreed
    they talk a lot but offer no proof of any performance numbers,
  • Both of the wind generators posted above have serious physical deficiencies because they will loose energy when their driven parts come back into the wind. It has been proven many times over that a conventional Horizontal Axis Wind Turbine will harvest more energy than a any other like a Vertical Axis Wind Turbine or any of the other designs.

    Seems strange, also, that the Saphon folks would even mention bird death. That is a myth that needs to be overcome, not used as a marketing tool.
  • I like this design as well. Likely nowhere near as efficient, but definitely not going to do anything to birds other than get them wet.
  • mlts22 wrote:
    Link here.

    It purports to get past the Betz limit of what a conventional spinning turbine can do, has far fewer moving parts, and doesn't kill birds.

    Of course, the animation of it wiggling around didn't seem to be that impressive. Any new tech is worth checking out, so I hope it actually is something marketable.


    That is SNAKE OIL.

    Everyone tries to get around Betz and is doomed to failure other than pick-pocketing the gullible... RUN and don't give it a second thought.