California requires a smog test for diesel RV registration starting 2024. I called my local Cummins dealer and he had no suggestions on how to bring an old design into compliance.Have you heard of any?

Treefrog wrote:California requires a smog test for diesel RV registration starting 2024. I called my local Cummins dealer and he had no suggestions on how to bring an old design into compliance.Have you heard of any?and why are you worried about this? they wouldn't have to meet any more strict guidelines than what they were designed to....The issue is going to be what legislation is going to follow to newer models and how is this going to affect people that have modified their diesels away from the design spec for that year. so unless you have modified it and it is running well, you should have an issue.

^Or how the inevitable legislation to follow out of Commiefornia may/will just outlaw any non tier IV emissions spec RV diesels. They already did it to semi trucks. RVs would be much easier to ban….don’t give ‘em any ideas…

StirCrazy wrote:Treefrog wrote:California requires a smog test for diesel RV registration starting 2024. I called my local Cummins dealer and he had no suggestions on how to bring an old design into compliance.Have you heard of any?and why are you worried about this? they wouldn't have to meet any more strict guidelines than what they were designed to....The issue is going to be what legislation is going to follow to newer models and how is this going to affect people that have ‘modified diesels’ away from the design spec for that year. so unless you have modified it and it is running well, you should have an issue.This might be true if it applied only to modified engines, and we opt to dismiss the fact that California has a history of banning perfectly good diesel engines (arbitrarily beyond a certain year of manufacture) and requiring a hole be drilled through their engine blocks - FWIW, this is all done by agency regulatory fiat (overreach) rather than by representative law making, this the basis of Huxley’s ‘Brave New World’ - though the excepted new normal…

If it's modified places will pop up to fix it and it will be $$$.

You bring your old design into compliance by moving to Oregon.

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rhagfo
Explorer III
Sep 06, 2023
CA Traveler wrote:
3 tons wrote:
Volvo states that building an EV produces 70% more carbon pollution (whatever that means, kinda funny, was taught CO2 was a plant fertilizer!!) than an ICE vehicle…. “Diesel Bad”, don’t ya know - repeat the narrative!!

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Everything I've read suggests current EV production is an environmental problem big time.

But everything else I've read suggests ICE's are on the way out for cars and trucks. Trains and ships not so sure.

Well Seattle, WA, has had electric (not battery) buses for as long as I can remember late 50's at least. They are feed by over head cables.
valhalla360
Navigator
Sep 06, 2023
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.

Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.
Grit_dog
Navigator
Sep 06, 2023
valhalla360 wrote:
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.

Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.

How’d that work out with the semis?
3_tons
Explorer III
Sep 06, 2023
valhalla360 wrote:
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.

Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.

Ha, this might be true if it were a law, but it’s NOT - now go try and defeat an agency ‘regulation’ whether * State or Federal - even the ‘deep pockets’ trucking industry was unable to - and YES IT WAS RETROACTIVE…

* Agency Regulation making allows politicians to escape their proper law making duties, meaning a form of extra-constitutional governance…This is why it’s done…

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CA_Traveler
Explorer III
Sep 06, 2023
I'm not aware of any CA regulations that required upgrades more than the mfg equipment for cars and pickups. Regulations to meet mfg levels did occur.

Don't know about OTR trucks. However if heavy black smoke is a factor then clearly regulation needed to be a option.

I had my ups and downs with CA regulations. For me it was in part about costs which we all pay for.
3_tons
Explorer III
Sep 06, 2023
CA Traveler wrote:
I'm not aware of any CA regulations that required upgrades more than the mfg equipment for cars and pickups. Regulations to meet mfg levels did occur.

Don't know about OTR trucks. However if heavy black smoke is a factor then clearly regulation needed to be a option.

I had my ups and downs with CA regulations. For me it was in part about costs which we all pay for.

Had zero to do with visible smoke - just wishful thinking going on…
ScottG
Nomad
Sep 07, 2023
Grit dog wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.

Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.

How’d that work out with the semis?

Bingo.
StirCrazy
Moderator
Sep 07, 2023
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.

Actually yes, they do, the testing is based on the output of that model. so, a 2008 car doesn't have to meet the same standards as a 2023 model, they test to the design and laws of the year.

I know with big rigs there were companies building brand new rigs with older rebuilt engines (called gliders) that would get around the emissions laws and testing as they technically were registered as a 1990ish due to the motor. in fact, all vehicles manufactured before 1976 do not even require a smog check in California. and there is a bill looking to change that to 1983 I believe.
Treefrog
Explorer
Sep 07, 2023
My reading of the regulations is that there is one standard for all engines to meet. I personally didn't see the language you speak of; do you have a section and subsection of that rule you can refer me to? Thank you.
3_tons
Explorer III
Sep 07, 2023
StirCrazy wrote:
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.

Actually yes, they do, the testing is based on the output of that model. so, a 2008 car doesn't have to meet the same standards as a 2023 model, they test to the design and laws of the year.

I know with big rigs there were companies building brand new rigs with older rebuilt engines (called gliders) that would get around the emissions laws and testing as they technically were registered as a 1990ish due to the motor. in fact, all vehicles manufactured before 1976 do not even require a smog check in California. and there is a bill looking to change that to 1983 I believe.

Got it, so the thousands of diesel engines were not needlessly destroyed and replaced by regulatory fiat, correct- lol!!…,So I suppose (based on cherry picking) that we’re to believe these folks replaced their engines merely outta good will…

On the other hand, maybe news of this event didn’t make it above the 45th parallel ??

“Move along Sir, there’s nothing here to see”…

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1138461_california-ban-diesel-big-rigs-pre-2010-engines

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