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joebedford wrote:
I'll buy an EV when the range is improved (we live in the country). I hate the pollution I'm producing with my gas car and diesel truck (soon to disappear). Where I live, the electricity to charge the EV does NOT come from burning fossil fuels.
Please tell us where your electricity comes from. I am on the northeast power grid and understand that there is every type of generation supplying it, none of which is completely without negative impact.- I live in Saskatchewan--home of the first (boondoggle) carbon sequestration plant. It's output is 150 megawatts--and it takes 50 megawatts to process the co2. They keep having to replace the catalyst that allows the process to happen. I think the figure is on the order of 1 million dollars each time. The plant was supposed to cost 1 billion--but cost over run was 600 million.
They also contracted to supply co2 to North Dakota for oil reserve recovery. They keep missing their target delivery and so hundreds of thousand dollars are spent on fines.
We have ideal conditions for solar here. If they had spent 1.6 billion on solar the province would be selling power to our neighbors to the east, south and west.
I'm still confident that the next vehicle I buy will have a range of over 400 kilometers, be battery powered, and cost less than an internal combustion vehicle. If I do purchase, it will be in the spring of 2024.
But, by then, it may simply be easier and cheaper to use Uber. I'm driving less than 200 kilometers per week (120 miles). - Mexico has hundreds of millions of crude oil motor vehicles and only those from cities are eligible to be electric. Unlike the US a subsidized very tiny amount of kWh exits.
If an unsubsidized kWh rate wasn't used for electric cars, fuel cost of a thousand dollar or higher per month would be the rule.
I won't be around for the mega **** storm when it hits USA consumers. Fuel prices politically driven. - Current power rates for me are 15.75 cents per KWH. Then you add:
city surcharge
federal sales tax
federal carbon tax (because SK was too Stubborn or Stupid to make their own tax)
Infrastructure charge
provincial sales tax
So even though I'm using 42 cents of power per day--the cost to me is over double that amount. I'm in a Condo so there would be little opportunity to do anything with solar panels.
That 42 cents doesn't include space heating nor water heating. Those I pay indirectly via the Condo Fees. - Why the concern, just buy an inefficient polluting generator and plug in
Lynnmor wrote:
joebedford wrote:
I'll buy an EV when the range is improved (we live in the country). I hate the pollution I'm producing with my gas car and diesel truck (soon to disappear). Where I live, the electricity to charge the EV does NOT come from burning fossil fuels.
Please tell us where your electricity comes from. I am on the northeast power grid and understand that there is every type of generation supplying it, none of which is completely without negative impact.
You won't get a straight answer because most EV users or under the illusion of grandeur thinking they are "saving the planet" (IE "less pollution") or getting a "free" ride (IE free or low cost electricity) on other peoples backs.
Yeah, right now the EV owners are getting a free ride in the form of tax breaks (when buying AND by not paying road use taxes)and they plug in for free at any outlet they can find open.. One day, that WILL come to a screeching halt (I can easily see some sort of energy monitoring device which WILL track and BILL YOU for electric used and road use taxes in your future)..
They do not believe that their EVs pollute just as much if not MORE than a ICE vehicle, but they do pollute and someday down the road your kids, grandkids, great grand kids WILL be PAYING DEARLY for the mess that the proEV crowd is creating when there are heaps and heaps of spent EV batteries dumped all over the world..
Lithium technology EV batteries are not recycled and most likely will never be recycled due to the extremely high cost of recovering the materials. It simply is not worth recycling when new materials are cheaper than the not cost of tearing down and splitting out all of the base materials.
Electricity is not "free", someone must pay for the POCOs to generate, distribute, maintain power. In addition POCOs MUST ADD ADDITIONAL powerplants to be able to supply the extra demand, then the distribution system must now be updated for the extra demand..
This all costs money, where does this money come from?
Government?
Consumers?
Business?
Well, Government doesn't in reality make a product to sell(unless you want to consider yourself as a product of the Government), no Government takes in workers wages in the form of taxes, the more "subsidies" for POCOS to update the grid, the more taxes the Gov must collect.
Consumers and Businesses, yes, they BUY the electric which helps the POCO to pay it's workers and bills and turn some sort of profit.
Each EV plugging into the grid IS affecting EVERYONE in a negative fashion in one way or another by generating more power plant pollution or eventually with industrial waste of spent batteries disposal..- Hi Gdetraler:
Unless something has changed.....For a 2015 Compact Passenger Vehicle, the sample BEV model produces 105,054 pounds of green-house gas emissions (CO2-equivalents) over a full vehicle lifetime, whereas the equivalent ICEV produces 136,521 pounds of greenhouse gas emissions, a 23% advantage in global warming potential for the BEV. For the 2015 Mid-Size Passenger Vehicle, the BEV produces 122,772 pounds of CO2-equivalents, whereas the ICEV produces 151,651 pounds, a 19% advantage in global warming potential for the BEV. BEVs and ICEVs will both produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions in 2025, but the balance will still favor BEVs.
https://www.adlittle.de/sites/default/files/viewpoints/ADL_BEVs_vs_ICEVs_FINAL_November_292016.pdf pnichols wrote:
Well, if electric vehicles grab the public's interest anything like smartphones did/are - then you can count on EVs everywhere being just over the horizon.
But ... they better put computer controlled active suspension on them or the DW and myself will have to go to the grave without them ... because the DW and myself currently have a gasoline powered daily driver with one of the smoothest rides in the world - which she needs for her bad back. I'll bet that current EVs are, and will remain, relatively light weight with classic shock technology and hence have lousy rides - like most of todays SUVs and sedans do.
For EV lovers - this should make for an interesting read: https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/18/cars/electric-car-market-sales/index.html
Fwiw
I watched many vids about Tesla ev to find out all about it and never heard anyone complain about bad ride supension yet..
On the contrary anyone test driving one loves it.Chris Bryant wrote:
BarabooBob wrote:
I am in the middle of nowhere too often to rely on electric vehicles at this point. Maybe when there are multiple charging stations in every town that can charge my batteries in 10 minutes I will be interested. I don't think I will live that long.
The Nikola semi has a 1500 mile range, with fast refueling. While it is electric, it isn’t battery, rather it’s a hydrogen fuel cell.
Litle problem with Nikola semi
It doesnt exist.
And hydrogen fool cells are not financialy feasible,or advantageous over pure EVReisender wrote:
People generally assess their needs when buying a vehicle. Patterns, locations etc. The average person travelling to remote locations without infrastructure would be informed enough not to buy an EV. Right tool for the right job.
I have assessed my needs, and an ICE vehicle is the only one that works for me. Now, a hybrid would work fine for DW, and we may consider that when the time comes, but an EV won't work for either of us.
I just get tired of the EV Social Warriors who won't accept that my needs exclude their pets.
On a semi-regular basis, I need to drive about 1,500 miles in a 3 day period. My ICE has no problem with that. I have actually had EV Social Warriors tell me that it is not necessary to drive that far that fast, and I need to take 6 days to drive it, which an EV will do. They have no idea just why that 3 day period is required, and don't care. It doesn't fit their world view.
