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- Hi Mex,
The Kitimat B.C. smelter is still up and running and has been upgraded to the latest technology. - The USA has an easy TEN TIMES the population of Canada. On the west coast of Canada, they used-to-have an aluminum metal factory. The inlet also had a dam, and a huge hydroelectric generation facility. It was remote to the extreme and I suspect it has been shut down because of the few families who would choose to live there.
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California state senator Bill Simon applied for environmental permits for a tiny 500 Kw hydroelectric plant just north of Bishop CA. He faced the environmentalists who declared the forebay the penstock and afterbay posed a hypothetical threat to a species of frog that lies dormant until heavy rains create puddles. They swore that the plant would create a danger for the frogs.
the 500 Kw plant has been online since 1983.
And I am supposed to believe that SCE southern California Edison will upgrade Pool Plant in Lee Vining from it's present 14 Mw to its potential of 45 Mw?
People who know absolutely zero about generation and line transmission will insist it's all a piece of cake because it is "inevitable"
Assume the lotus position and all together now. "Hare Krishna Hare Rama Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"
See? Free ^^^^ !!!!!!!!! - Hi,
I agree on the $22. Our Electricity provider only reads meters 4 times per year. So next month I expect my bill to shoot up dramatically. I don't have access to the meter, unfortunately. My total bill is under $39 including all fees and taxes.
I'm living in an apartment style condo on the north west corner of the 2nd floor. There are two west facing windows that might be used for panels. Unfortunately they would have to be inside the actual window. Pay back would be an insane number of years.
I will be suggesting that the building look at putting panels on the roof to reduce the "common area" electrical loads and costs.time2roll wrote:
$22 fixed per month is not enough but as it rises there will be more and more people that cut the electric cord same as what is happening with satellite tv, land line phone service and cable. - The transition era has started. There's countless people interested about the future, just looked at how many are on this thread. I'm still stuck in the 60's, asking why would anyone believe that depressing the accelerator is going to save you,...in event of a front steer tire blowout? Please don't reply. Not here, anyway. My grand kids are scared.
- I didn't want to bring up depopulation. It's too real and too depressing. 300 to 1 my bet is on a pneumovirus. Something like the never before or after seen 1918 Spanish Flu.
Nature abhors but nevertheless cures excesses. Automatically and ruthlessly.
China is right in the X-ring for the next pandemic.
Simply crippling the pharmaceutical chain would depopulate the US by eighty million.
Invest in a retirement property will crops will grow and convert your RV into a crewed turret. A MORTAR MOTORHOME anyone?
Now you see why I avoided this. MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
where does tree-saving PLASTIC come from? Does the stork bring it? it's made from a fraction of crude oil.
How about aluminum?
Mysterious like when you were 6, and asking where babies came from. Most people have no idea how aluminum comes into being. Maybe from beer cans or stooping to pick up chunks of it laying around somewhere? Aluminum is made from a blue powder called Bauxite and a TON of electrical power and nothing else but electricity can be used to make it. A stupendous amount of it.
It'll all work out. Like water supply for Capetown or Mumbai?
"Something will come along and the quality of life will continue to rise?".
Rationale like this is the property of ten-year-olds who think at night while they sleep the refrigerator magically fills back up.
I do not trust the government to do anything except to make my life more complicated ane miserable. just wait until they get their mitts on the functioning of the electrical grids.
Weren't around were you when the government decided to utterly deregulate California's electrical rates. Ten thousand dollars per mWh?
The fancy plastic of today's RV's will price the product out of reach. Plastic comes from petroleum -- do I really need to explain more?
There is zero public discussion about the means and viability of how all these green dreams are going to be fulfilled. PG&E was too stupid to understand why 33KV power lines only 10 feet from tinderbox tree limbs is insane and now you expect them to do WHAT? For free?
Explain your rationale about an atmosphere with FOUR TIMES the level o CO2 and orchids growing in northern Canada suddenly reverted to low CO2
A genuine danger is a shift in global wind patterns that allow tropical Africa and the Amazon rain forest to die off and ONCE AGAIN produce more CO2 than man has done since Lucy was doing the hokey pokey on the sarengeti.
David ... ya keep talkin' all around it: The problem is too many people up to now and the solution is a decline in population going forward. What makes it worse is that we have all been duped into blindly thinking that we can collectively science our way out of trouble regardless of population size.
Less folks or more earth is the two end-game choices. Lithium or fusion won't hack it.- where does tree-saving PLASTIC come from? Does the stork bring it? it's made from a fraction of crude oil.
How about aluminum?
Mysterious like when you were 6, and asking where babies came from. Most people have no idea how aluminum comes into being. Maybe from beer cans or stooping to pick up chunks of it laying around somewhere? Aluminum is made from a blue powder called Bauxite and a TON of electrical power and nothing else but electricity can be used to make it. A stupendous amount of it.
It'll all work out. Like water supply for Capetown or Mumbai?
"Something will come along and the quality of life will continue to rise?".
Rationale like this is the property of ten-year-olds who think at night while they sleep the refrigerator magically fills back up.
I do not trust the government to do anything except to make my life more complicated ane miserable. just wait until they get their mitts on the functioning of the electrical grids.
Weren't around were you when the government decided to utterly deregulate California's electrical rates. Ten thousand dollars per mWh?
The fancy plastic of today's RV's will price the product out of reach. Plastic comes from petroleum -- do I really need to explain more?
There is zero public discussion about the means and viability of how all these green dreams are going to be fulfilled. PG&E was too stupid to understand why 33KV power lines only 10 feet from tinderbox tree limbs is insane and now you expect them to do WHAT? For free?
Explain your rationale about an atmosphere with FOUR TIMES the level o CO2 and orchids growing in northern Canada suddenly reverted to low CO2
A genuine danger is a shift in global wind patterns that allow tropical Africa and the Amazon rain forest to die off and ONCE AGAIN produce more CO2 than man has done since Lucy was doing the hokey pokey on the sarengeti. down home wrote:
When we first moved to the area in 1975, our electricity bill was 20.00-22.00 in summer and 32.00 or so in winter which included a high hp three stage well water pump. When we moves the bill was near 200.00 in summer and 300.00 area in winter.
Here is is 250.00-300.00 summer and 450.00- 600.00 in winter. This is TVA country mind you.
Local Coop subsidized electricity to chicken houses and businesses. Now TVA, is for profit, essentially, has cut cost and reduced rates greatly to business but not households. They sell power to al lthe other grids at higher rates.
Whenever TV had a rate increase, Coop increased by same percentage on top.
When solar came along they passed a regulation that they would not furnish power to any household with solar or generators. Presumably because they feared problem with the grid and danger to linemen when working on lines with feed back from solar and generators even though automatic switches were mandatory from the get go. I have no information that has changed except for generators.
I have thought about opening our spring up more and installing a generator system with back up generator, and cutting the cord entirely. Bank a portion of the immense savings for maintenance of the system.
Solar doesn't work well here. This winter and spring were mostly cloudy and much of the summer thus far. Cheap hydroelectric we have plenty of but TVA very high salaries and very high bonuses and the revolving door with business,plus local coop income is making us poor. Ratepayers are making some people very wealthy and solar isn't a viable option may with a generator too But combination of systems costing more than home is not sensible nor affordable.
Maybe you should move to Michigan my largest bill this year is $80 bucks (that's cause it was hot last month). I have a 2500 sq ft house and last year (when we ran the hot tub till Nov) my highest bill was $128.- When we first moved to the area in 1975, our electricity bill was 20.00-22.00 in summer and 32.00 or so in winter which included a high hp three stage well water pump. When we moves the bill was near 200.00 in summer and 300.00 area in winter.
Here is is 250.00-300.00 summer and 450.00- 600.00 in winter. This is TVA country mind you.
Local Coop subsidized electricity to chicken houses and businesses. Now TVA, is for profit, essentially, has cut cost and reduced rates greatly to business but not households. They sell power to al lthe other grids at higher rates.
Whenever TV had a rate increase, Coop increased by same percentage on top.
When solar came along they passed a regulation that they would not furnish power to any household with solar or generators. Presumably because they feared problem with the grid and danger to linemen when working on lines with feed back from solar and generators even though automatic switches were mandatory from the get go. I have no information that has changed except for generators.
I have thought about opening our spring up more and installing a generator system with back up generator, and cutting the cord entirely. Bank a portion of the immense savings for maintenance of the system.
Solar doesn't work well here. This winter and spring were mostly cloudy and much of the summer thus far. Cheap hydroelectric we have plenty of but TVA very high salaries and very high bonuses and the revolving door with business,plus local coop income is making us poor. Ratepayers are making some people very wealthy and solar isn't a viable option may with a generator too But combination of systems costing more than home is not sensible nor affordable.
