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Mar 12, 2020

Generator - A/C issue

This is kind of long but I need to give all the details:
I have a 2019, 2425 Coleman bumper pull RV. I have recently been in some “primitive” camping sites with no services. I have an EF3600ISDE Yamaha generator that is dual fuel (Gasoline or Propane). It is a great unit. Here is my issue and questions:
Yesterday it was warm enough to turn on my RV A/C unit. I had the generator running on propane and in full throttle mode not “eco” mode. The A/C fan came on for a minute or so and the generator stayed at 3450 RPM (normal full throttle mode RPM). When the A/C compressor kicked on the generator advanced a few hundred RPMs and then went into “overload” and cut power to RV. The generator cut back the RPMs and kept running at 3450 RPMs but stayed in overload mode. I cut off A/C, shut down generator, and restarted. Generator came back on and was supplying power to RV. I did not have anything else on in RV such as microwave, coffee pot, ect. I tried again to turn on A/C and same result: power to RV was cut and generator in overload mode. Experimenting, I disconnected propane and tried running generator on gasoline. Basic same result.
I noted that generator ran at 3450 RPM’s before turning on A/C when on propane or gasoline. During several attempts, some times the A/C would run a few minutes longer when compressor cut on than other times but always the generator would then go into overload mode and cut power to RV.
On a whim, I restarted generator and put it in eco mode. It ran at 2650 RPM’s on both gasoline and propane in eco mode, I then cut on A/C and much to my surprise the generator went to 3040 RPM’s and A/C stayed on and power to RV was not cut off. A/C and everything worked fine. When A/C compressor would cut off the generator would cut back to 2650RPMs and when compressor cut on generator would rise to the 3050 RPM range. This was on either propane or gasoline operation.
OK so the solution is to just run in eco mode HOWEVER I have a remote start/stop kit installed on the generator and instructions say “only remote start in full throttle mode and not in eco mode (actually any start up, key or remote, is supposed to be in full throttle mode). If I set up the generator in full throttle mode so I can use the remote start and not have to go outside to start the generator I can’t use A/C without going outside and put generator in eco mode. Kind of renders my remote start feature useless.
Any ides why generator would go into overload mode when set on full throttle mode? Any ideas how to correct this?
  • The gen is rated well above the capacity of the A/C and is evident that it is capable of easily handling the load(s) in eco mode as it only rises to 3050 RPMs from 2650 RPMs and does not go into overload. I don't usually do it so as to ease the load on the gen but, with the gen in eco mode, I have had on the A/C, microwave, coffee pot, and electric water heater all at once. The gen did kick up to full throttle speed (3450 RPMs), but it did not go into overload.

    If the issue was happening in reverse, that the gen would go into overload when running on eco mode but would handle the A/C compressor kick on in full throttle mode, I would agree with the "hidden" usage idea but since it works fine at the lower eco mode RPM it must be something with the gen advancing when in full throttle mode, even though it should not, that is perhaps causing the overload.
  • ndrorder wrote:
    When the generator is first started, the converter will be trying to charge the batteries. That can be a significant load in addition to the A/C. When turning things off, that should also include the breaker to the converter.

    Then why does it work in eco mode?
  • I agree with phil's question as to why it works in eco mode if it's a hidden usage issue or battery charging operation.
    I spoke with a Yamaha tech at a dealer and while he was puzzled by the issue and said it was a real head scratched, he also said I should not worry about starting the gen in eco mode.
    While there is no real exact answer to the default overload when compressor kicks in and gen is in full throttle mode, as long as the A/C works in eco mode my wife will be happy... and you know I'm happy about that.
    Glenn
  • Glenn And Kitty wrote:
    The gen is rated well above the capacity of the A/C and is evident that it is capable of easily handling the load(s) in eco mode as it only rises to 3050 RPMs from 2650 RPMs and does not go into overload. I don't usually do it so as to ease the load on the gen but, with the gen in eco mode, I have had on the A/C, microwave, coffee pot, and electric water heater all at once. The gen did kick up to full throttle speed (3450 RPMs), but it did not go into overload.

    If the issue was happening in reverse, that the gen would go into overload when running on eco mode but would handle the A/C compressor kick on in full throttle mode, I would agree with the "hidden" usage idea but since it works fine at the lower eco mode RPM it must be something with the gen advancing when in full throttle mode, even though it should not, that is perhaps causing the overload.


    I find no specifications for an "EF3600ISDE" generator made by Yamaha. I am assuming it to be a 3600 watt peak genny, if it exists. (you referenced the above number in your initial post)

    I do find one for an "EF6300ISDE" generator. (6300 watts peak) Is that what you mean?

    If so, that generator should have plenty of juice to start/run a 13500/15000 BTU AC unit. (and lots of other stuff too) But before you waste more time, can you please confirm this? (or post the actual model that you do have)

    Chum lee
  • Reply to Chum Lee question:
    Gen is a Yamaha EF6300ISDE. I believe the peak (surge) watts are 6500 with 5500 watts being the rated watts in normal running range. The gen is about 5 years old but only has 185 hours on it. I also think the A/C unit on my RV is rated at 13500 BTU

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