GFCI won't reset
Kitchen GFCI won't reset. Put in a new one and still won't reset. Outlet manages frig, slideout wall outlet, overhead light on slideout and bathroom. Told there might be a short somewhere. Any suggestions?
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- Yep, that would do it.
- My gfi looked like this behind the wall and still worked!
Wires melted and burnt to a crisp and still providing power.:S
rockhillmanor wrote:
My gfi looked like this behind the wall and still worked!
Wires melted and burnt to a crisp and still providing power.:S
Not good. Curious - why is that a residential type recept. and not an SCD RV type? Someone changed it? The melted wire can't have been terminated properly.myredracer wrote:
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Curious - why is that a residential type recept. and not an SCD RV type?
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Wasn't aware of this.
What's the diff? Is it that important?
When I added a new (non-GFCI) 120V socket, I just used the standard household variety from Lowes.myredracer wrote:
rockhillmanor wrote:
My gfi looked like this behind the wall and still worked!
Wires melted and burnt to a crisp and still providing power.:S
Not good. Curious - why is that a residential type recept. and not an SCD RV type? Someone changed it? The melted wire can't have been terminated properly.
Doesn't matter if it is in a box. The one pictured appears to be in a box.brulaz wrote:
Wasn't aware of this.
What's the diff? Is it that important?
When I added a new (non-GFCI) 120V socket, I just used the standard household variety from Lowes.
A mobile home/RV receptacle does not require an electrical box. A typical residential/commercial receptacle must be in an electrical box.beemerphile1 wrote:
...brulaz wrote:
Wasn't aware of this.
What's the diff? Is it that important?
When I added a new (non-GFCI) 120V socket, I just used the standard household variety from Lowes.
A mobile home/RV receptacle does not require an electrical box. A typical residential/commercial receptacle must be in an electrical box.
Thanks.
My Lowes version came in it's own easy-to-install blue plastic box.brulaz wrote:
myredracer wrote:
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Curious - why is that a residential type recept. and not an SCD RV type?
...
Wasn't aware of this.
What's the diff? Is it that important?
When I added a new (non-GFCI) 120V socket, I just used the standard household variety from Lowes.
Here is what the back of one looks like. Can connect up to 3 romex cables. They are used in RVs due to the 1" or so thickness of walls and some cabinetry locations and standard outlet boxes won't fit. I would say they're a fair bit faster to install too. Also used in mobile homes. The trick to using these is getting the wires pushed in properly which doesn't always happen at a factory. A worker can be doing cabinetry one minute and electrical the next and there's no quality control or electrical inspectors checking anything. Some of the work would never pass inspection in building construction. The first recept. I ever pulled out was in our first TT (2 TTs ago) had one of the wires barely hanging on. Could easily have overheated with enough load on it.
SCD wiring devices (recepts., switches, etc) are CSA (Canadian Standards Assoc.) approved and have therefore gone through rigorous testing and have met very stringent standards. They are not used because they are "cheap" as some claim.
Nothing wrong with an outlet box and residential recept. as long as you have the mounting depth. I've added both these and SCD type in our current TT.
myredracer wrote:
rockhillmanor wrote:
My gfi looked like this behind the wall and still worked!
Wires melted and burnt to a crisp and still providing power.:S
Not good. Curious - why is that a residential type recept. and not an SCD RV type? Someone changed it? The melted wire can't have been terminated properly.
Are there SCD GFCI's made? I don't think I've come across them--only plain receptacles.DrewE wrote:
myredracer wrote:
rockhillmanor wrote:
My gfi looked like this behind the wall and still worked!
Wires melted and burnt to a crisp and still providing power.:S
Not good. Curious - why is that a residential type recept. and not an SCD RV type? Someone changed it? The melted wire can't have been terminated properly.
Are there SCD GFCI's made? I don't think I've come across them--only plain receptacles.
Same here.
FWIW, when I rewired my restoration project, every device location had a Shallow 8 cu in. box (I actually used new-work boxes) installed. If users have a failed device, these boxes are easy to install and then you can use conventional non-SCD devices.DrewE wrote:
myredracer wrote:
rockhillmanor wrote:
My gfi looked like this behind the wall and still worked!
Wires melted and burnt to a crisp and still providing power.:S
Not good. Curious - why is that a residential type recept. and not an SCD RV type? Someone changed it? The melted wire can't have been terminated properly.
Are there SCD GFCI's made? I don't think I've come across them--only plain receptacles.
No there aren't. The one in our bathroom has a surface mounting outlet box to get enough depth along with a standard GFCI recept. The reason there isn't one is that the GFCI circuitry takes up too much space and there'd be no room for the IDC terminals.
FWIW, here is Hubbell's installation brochure for their Wirecon SCDs. Shows pushing the wires in with channel lock pliers along with using the back cover to push the wire in.
