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ChooChooMan74's avatar
Nov 13, 2015

Good Read about Circuit Breakers (Debunking Myths)

My last camping trip for Halloween weekend, I brought 2 electric heaters with me. I plugged one into a regular wall outlet, and one into the outlet for the electric hot water heater (I would swap out one heater for electric HW during the day, and use residual hot water at night and replug in the heater). I had both heaters on high, 2 heated beds on, refer on electric, and the converter on. I looked at my Progressive Industries monitor, and noticed that I was pulling 38 amps. I was wondering, why am I not tripping anything. I lowered my power use and got under 30 amps, but I needed to know more. So I investigated. This is what I found.

Goodson Engineering wrote:
The first (and most common) misconception is that a breaker trips when its nameplate rating is exceeded. One fire text has stated (incorrectly) that a circuit breaker will trip in several minutes with a small increase in current over its rating[1]. Actually, a 20 amp breaker must trip at a sustained current of 27 amperes (135 percent) at less than one hour, and at 40 amperes (200 percent of wire rating) in less than 120 seconds—far different from what the cited text implies. These two trip points (135 percent and 200 percent) are defined in NEMA Standard AB-1, MCCBs and Molded Case Switches[2]


SOURCE: Goodson Engineering - Forensic Engineering * Fire Investigations

MOD Idea: Put a separate 20 amp into the camper for purposes of running 2 heaters. I know some have done it for a 2nd AC on a 30 amp unit before.
  • I installed a separate 12 gauge line for my heater, It is connected in the 4x4 box where my black cord terminates and is protected with a 15 amp "fast-blow" fuse inside the box.

    Except for the microwave and a/c, all my factory outlets have 14 gauge wire. To make matters worse, they use cheap outlets with push-in connectors for the wire instead of screws.

    A few years ago on another camper, I had a 1200 watt grill plugged in my outside outlet. I smelled something electrical burning under the kit sink and saw the push-in wires arcing and smoking. Don't ever plug an electrical heater or grill into a factory RV outlet!
  • RoyB's avatar
    RoyB
    Explorer II
    Interesting comments from the Electric Engineering guys... I knew there was longer trip zone involved but didn't know it was that different than the rated trip zone.

    I know my main 30AMP breaker will trip - Have that happen on occasion...

    I have been using a separate HD Extension Cords connected to the camp ground 20A SERVICE connection for years here on the East side of the US where it is probably alot warmer camping nights than out West. This is primarily for my two oil-filled electric heaters. Wiring in an outside MALE Weathertight Connector would be nice I guess but I just run extension cords into my OFF-ROAD TRAILER through the window flaps. Have heard from other users on here that some campgrounds may ask you to stop using the 20A service in this fashion but I have never run into that...

    The one difference from what you was saying is I NEVER set these electric heaters on HIGH. I run then at mid settings. I do not like the idea of heating up the electric cords near the 120VAC receptacle connections. We dress for the cool weather trips and like to get under the blankets at night.

    I also use the campground 20AMP SERVICE for almost all of our outside 120VAC requirements...

    I set the propane trailer heater on its lowest setting and this is only used as absolute back-up heat. I would use more of the propane heat if we were camping in very cold areas where the underbelly area would need some heat but since we do all of camping in our OFF-ROAD POPUP trailer this is not an issue for us.

    Just my thoughts on the way we like to camp in cold weather - Give me a big bon-fire and a long poking stick...

    Roy Ken

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