HACKING THEFT Needs Discussion

Press a button, car honks and unlocks

Press another and the car drives up to you

Press a third and your proxy takes your vacation for you.

And people wonder why I live in Mexico.

"Say, why is it when you are in the states you never come over?"?

(unsaid answer)

"I don't want to sit in your den and watch you switch channels 1,786 times in an hour"

The article link just goes to show once again that there are too many gizmos are in our lives. We are slaves to them and we are also getting exploited because of, and through, them.

What's wrong with keys for vehicles? (I can think of a lot more "what's wrong with" old fashioned ways of doing things, too.)

I think we have way too many marketing guys and/or engineers sitting around trying to dream up way too many gizmos so as to get higher bonuses every year.

And last but by no means least .... wait until unassailable evidence FINALLY surfaces some day about what all that RF energy bombarding us is really doing to our physiology.

Google "black box car theft". These have been in the news for about a year. Apparently they work by sucking in the signals from your remote-opening key fob, and then rebroadcasting those signals to unlock the car. Set up in a busy parking lot, you can suck in a lot of signals. Then, it's just a brute force cycle-thru-the-codes until one works on any given vehicle. Only way to defeat it (so far) is to disable the remote entry system on your car, so it only opens with a key in the lock.

Kind of like a universal learning remote . . . .

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Gee people were calling me paranoid. When these wireless options started coming out I said, Just wait somebody with bad intentions will figure this out, and everybody said I was paranoid...Guess who gets the last laugh now... Smile Big Smile lol

When my towed was broken into the police said that the keyless entry was venerable to the "black box" unlocking system. Now I have a infrared detector with no shut off inside the car. Put a hand on the window and it goes off inside our house. Same thing on the road only the alarm is inside the RV.

Something not right about this report. They have had a "black box" ever since remote, garage doors came on the scene.
There are quite a few in the hands of "some" LEOs only apparently. I'm not that smart but it would not take that much to find the band the devices operate in and a scan and lock capability in a handheld device that might be capable of operating a long way off. All they need is a few feet though.

A remote switch to disconnect power, would be about the only way to "stop"these particular type thieves. Since everything is so integrated it would just about have to be done, at the factory, to isolate just the circuit to the doors and engine. Disconnecting all power would work but the computers would have to relearn some things over a few hours?

Most likely uses something that works on the wireless technology of the keyless entry. That would explain how they can also subvert the alarm at the same time. If you can fool the car into thinking you have the key, there you go.

It's kind of hard to believe they have an example of the device and still can't figure out how it's done.

othertonka wrote:
On star can unlock many cars from miles away, could be something like that. Scary

Might be OnStar but more likely using bluetooth. That's the only wireless device in a car that could be accessed from outside the car. They'd need to exploit a vulnerability in can bus or whatever bus that particular car is using to open door locks etc.

pbitschura wrote:
Fight technology with technology. Hide a spy cam triggered by the door locks in every vehicle. They can be set to instantly upload to the cloud so even if they find the camera, BUSTED>

Did you ever wonder why bank robbers wear ski masks? :)

On star can unlock many cars from miles away, could be something like that. Scary