HHO Systems?

Gdetrailer wrote:

drsteve wrote:
We already produce large quantities of hydrogen for industrial uses. In 2006, the United States was estimated to have a production capacity of 11 million tons of hydrogen. 5 million tons of hydrogen were consumed on-site in oil refining, and in the production of ammonia. Hydrogen production is an estimated $100 billion industry.

Sure, we "produce" Hydrogen for industry, does not mean it is a GOOD fuel to REPLACE gas..

Do you not understand that Hydrogen contains LESS ENERGY CONTENT per lb than gasoline?

Do you not understand that it TAKES CONSIDERABLE MORE ENERGY (BTU OR WATTs) to produce a lb of Hydrogen?

Do you not understand that the energy must come from some other source to produce Hydrogen?

Hydrogen can be made from electrolysis of water or cracking methane or natural gas, any of these ways REQUIRES additional ENERGY from somewhere else..

Do you understand that Hydrogen produced for and by industry is used mainly for REACTIONS of chemicals or gasses to produce other products and such and not for the HEAT..

I have a refinery near me that that in a process of refining White Oils uses a hydrogen reactor as part of the refining process and nothing more.. It is used to break down the hydro carbon chains into desired chains for their final products.

That plant over the years HAS had a couple of equipment failures resulting in hydrogen blast and fire.. Yeah, those explosions have been heard as far away as 15 miles and the shock from the blasts felt better than 5 miles away..

From what I gather, it takes 1.3 gallons of Hydrogen to equal the energy content in gallon gasoline.. Sort of difficult to flesh out since pretty much all the discussions center around Hydrogen as a GAS VAPOR and not a liquid.

Most likely due to the fact that Hydrogen gas is easier to produce, liquifying it takes even more energy and industrial uses really don't use liquid but gas..

Hydrogen also burns COLORLESS which makes a Hydrogen fire extremely difficult to detect and therefore fight.

Hydrogen is typically stored at high pressures, typically 3,000 PSI or higher.. That would make for extremely and insanely expensive "tanks" to be hung on a vehicle. Dealing with highly flammable high pressure tanks, DOT requires them to be disconnected AND to have the valves CAGED..

I own a Oxy-Acetelyne torch set, I would never consider hauling them on a vehicle without the regulators disconnected or no cage.. and acetylene is pretty mild compared to Hydrogen..

But keep in mind that the OP WAS about HHO (generating Hydrogen from water using electrolysis via a car and running the SAME car from that) , and that HAS BEEN PROVEN to not work by Mythbusters..

And yet, hydrogen fuel cell powered cars and city buses are on the roads in small but steadily increasing numbers. As for energy content, remember that a fuel cell is more than twice as efficient as an ICE. The car will go 60-80 miles on a kg of hydrogen. DOT seems satisfied that the tanks used on cars are safe. None have blown up. There are even hydrogen fuel stations.

Imagine that...