4X4Dodger wrote:
Engine Mfg have run these filters on test benches for upwards of 100k then torn down the engines. The oil drip holes valve guides and seep holes are clogged with TP "dust" clogged with motor oil.
Further TP is DESIGNED to disintegrate with liquid. That will eventually create the very sludge referenced above.
Oil Flow through the filter is of utmost importance and TP restricts flow to a dangerous degree.
TP oil filters are a figment of the 1950's Mechanics Illustrated School of Mechanical Design mentality. They are not something I am going to trust my engine to.
Not a single car manufacturer endorses these filters and some EXPRESSLY warn agains using them.
That is proof enough for me.
4X4Dodger wrote:RJCorazza wrote:4X4Dodger wrote:
Fram and Baldwin are both approved and in fact encouraged by many vehicle manufacturers who have no interest in early filter failure creating warranty work. Also All three big diesel engine mfg's, Cummins, Detroit Diesel, and Cat all approve and recommend Fram and Baldwin.
I used Frams on my Mercedes Diesel for years and put 300,000 miles on it with NOT an single engine problem.
To say that Fram is the Yugo of filters is flying in the face of reality it seems to me.
In all my life I have never seen or heard of an engine failure due to an oil filter that was properly installed. The only ones I have known to cause problems are the toilet paper roll ones which have been totally discredited and are NOT recommended or approved by any manufacturer.
This is a typical response by someone with no direct or even indirect experience with TP filters. After almost 20 years of personal use and research, I have never had an issue with these filters. After the chuckling and unsubstantiated negativity are over, no one can point out a legitimate engine issue from using TP filters.
Engine Mfg have run these filters on test benches for upwards of 100k then torn down the engines. The oil drip holes valve guides and seep holes are clogged with TP "dust" clogged with motor oil.
Further TP is DESIGNED to disintegrate with liquid. That will eventually create the very sludge referenced above.
Oil Flow through the filter is of utmost importance and TP restricts flow to a dangerous degree.
TP oil filters are a figment of the 1950's Mechanics Illustrated School of Mechanical Design mentality. They are not something I am going to trust my engine to.
Not a single car manufacturer endorses these filters and some EXPRESSLY warn against using them.
That is proof enough for me.
RJCorazza wrote:4X4Dodger wrote:
Fram and Baldwin are both approved and in fact encouraged by many vehicle manufacturers who have no interest in early filter failure creating warranty work. Also All three big diesel engine mfg's, Cummins, Detroit Diesel, and Cat all approve and recommend Fram and Baldwin.
I used Frams on my Mercedes Diesel for years and put 300,000 miles on it with NOT an single engine problem.
To say that Fram is the Yugo of filters is flying in the face of reality it seems to me.
In all my life I have never seen or heard of an engine failure due to an oil filter that was properly installed. The only ones I have known to cause problems are the toilet paper roll ones which have been totally discredited and are NOT recommended or approved by any manufacturer.
This is a typical response by someone with no direct or even indirect experience with TP filters. After almost 20 years of personal use and research, I have never had an issue with these filters. After the chuckling and unsubstantiated negativity are over, no one can point out a legitimate engine issue from using TP filters.
4X4Dodger wrote:
Fram and Baldwin are both approved and in fact encouraged by many vehicle manufacturers who have no interest in early filter failure creating warranty work. Also All three big diesel engine mfg's, Cummins, Detroit Diesel, and Cat all approve and recommend Fram and Baldwin.
I used Frams on my Mercedes Diesel for years and put 300,000 miles on it with NOT an single engine problem.
To say that Fram is the Yugo of filters is flying in the face of reality it seems to me.
In all my life I have never seen or heard of an engine failure due to an oil filter that was properly installed. The only ones I have known to cause problems are the toilet paper roll ones which have been totally discredited and are NOT recommended or approved by any manufacturer.
MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
The thought was to provoke the subject not a definitive survey. The Mobil 1 filter supposedly uses a rubber based filtering media. I am not enamored with "Gohner" brand of filters down here. Fram is ubiquitous, I consider the brand to be the "Yugo" of oil filters.
I am getting ready to order filters through Rock Auto, and Mobil 1 looks like it is worth considering for oil filtering. Baldwin as well.
