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obiwancanoli
Explorer
Aug 29, 2020

Inverter - Charger - Leave well enough alone?

Here, yet again, I have more questions... you all must be getting a little tired of me with these inquiries, and I very much appreciate the patience of those who've responded to my previous posts. My focus has been on the electrical side of things lately, and so, as I learn, I keep checking things off the list...

One that remains is whether or not I ought to consider changing out my Inverter to something more... capable.

First, the components:

I currently have flooded battery bank which I'm planning to change to Lithium - two @ 200Ah. These batteries are between 3-4 years old, and likely require replacement soon. Awaiting install of Victron 712 meter, and a Victron Smart Solar 100A MPPT Controller. Considering adding 340 W Solar to existing 480 W on roof, plus 120 W portable panel. Existing Inverter is 2000W Modified Sine. Current controller is PWM 30A.

Since my plans are to spend more time boondocking, I felt it worth the peace of mind to look at upgrading my system so that I might enjoy a longer stretch dry camping, when I choose to do so. Strictly a novice here, hard to wrap my head around electrical theory and practice, so, I've been on a mission to learn, and research, opportunities to upgrade my system where it makes good sense to do so. Question is, I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if it DOES make sense.

First, I'm considering adding another 170W panel to the roof, and adding another portable panel of up to 200W. My objective here is to be able to generate enough solar to avoid tapping into the battery bank. While it may come to pass that I would run the AC, I'm not convinced I need to add enough solar to do so. After all, I do have a generator.

I HAVE been wondering if it would be prudent to change my Inverter to a 3000 W or 5000 W Inverter to address the potential that I might want to run the AC off grid. Prices for this seem pretty reasonable - most between $280 - $500. As I'm of the opinion that it's better to have it and not need it than the other way around, I'm willing to absorb the cost if it will bring me closer to my goal.

At most, my wattage needs appear to pencil out to around 2000 W/day. That comes to about 166 amps. AC not factored into this.

Am I on the right path here? Am I understanding enough to have asked an informed question? What am I missing, or not considering?

15 Replies

  • Lwiddis wrote:
    “I felt it worth the peace of mind to look at upgrading my system so that I might enjoy a longer stretch dry camping,..”

    If this comment is regarding electrical power, you are missing the point. An adequate solar system recharges your batteries fully every clear or mostly clear day. If it doesn’t the system is faulty.

    Isn’t 2000 watts at 12 volts about 165 amp hours? Not 18.


    yup...
  • Let’s assume your small A/C draws 10A, that’s 110A for a 12V battery. 36A from solar leaves 64A from the battery for say 5 hours or 320Ah. Now your 400Ah batteries are discharged w/o day and night house loads and with no battery power the next morning.

    Insert your own guesses for power draw and run time but A/Cs take a lot of power.
  • 3_tons's avatar
    3_tons
    Explorer III
    Well, it’s mostly a “what’s in the eye of the beholder” sort’a thing (as you’ll begin to see...), thus much depends on what you might consider to be an upgrade...From my perspective, if I were to do an inverter upgrade, I’d be looking at a True Sine Wave model, and likely a pass-thru inverter-charger...

    Why??... Because sinewave is easier and better for delicate electronic devices, air cond motors due to better electrical efficiency (less wasteful energy to heat conversion). Either way, you’d want to know what your worst case energy consumption might be, then make plans accordingly...BTW, the ‘wattage’ rating of an inverter is often more to do with marketing gimmickry than electrical reality thus, there’s a few other important specs to first look into (i.e. important surge capacity and surge duration), and be aware that manufacturers often hide these details - in fact, this is often why some seemingly like-kind inverters have a wide breadth of price points - overstated inverter data sells!!

    Other things worth consideration are whether the inverter is a hybrid-type (true supplemental shore-genny power load assist) and whether a LF (larger-heavier transformer based = slower) or a HF (more compact transistor-ladder design = faster)...Generally speaking, bulkier LF models are robust and very well suited for higher and longer duration surges, like air conditioners, etc, however (having said that...), note that my HF 2000w ProSine 2.0 has served me quite faithfully in this same kind of service (air cond. @41 LRA + fan ...).

    To this end, you should plan for the future - to avoid nagging dc voltage drop bottlenecks (associated with extreme battery demands), I’d also go with 0004 batt cabling and keep the round-trip cable as short as practical...

    To summarize, think about what inverter type and overall *system wiring scheme you could best live with, and adjust your sights accordingly...JMHO (been down this dang rabbit hole too many times but survived!! - lol!)

    *(single or multiple outlets, ATS switches, a rewire, passive-cascading system with sub-panel, etc)

    Just a few starting ideas only...
    3 tons
  • Get a pure sine inverter. You and your stuff will be happier in the long run.

    Paying only a few hundred for a big inverter is not a good idea. That's cheap, and cheap things don't last. I run air with my Outback 3400w, it's big, it's heavy, and it's expensive, and will probably outlive me.

    Cry once. It's better than burning one up every few years.
  • “I felt it worth the peace of mind to look at upgrading my system so that I might enjoy a longer stretch dry camping,..”

    If this comment is regarding electrical power, you are missing the point. An adequate solar system recharges your batteries fully every clear or mostly clear day. If it doesn’t the system is faulty.

    Isn’t 2000 watts at 12 volts about 165 amp hours? Not 18.

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