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BFL13
Explorer II
Sep 25, 2013

Inverters with Mix of 6s and 12s

I have posted in various places lately about my attempt to find a good way to run the mixed bank of 6s and 12s. As a sort of update, here is what I have found out so far.

(Two beat up T-1275s are in their own bank (approx. 265AH or so) running the 2000w inverter, which runs the MW, kettle, and toaster. Four 6s (458AH) run the rig including the smaller inverter to run the TV, laptop etc.)

I think this would also all apply generally to a bank of two 6s and a separate 12 as an alternative to banking them as a three.

The idea is to give up some Peukert in exchange for:

- keeping the 12s away from the 6s in case of bad interactions
-not having to find a way to balance three pairs of batts in parallel, which takes too much wiring
-being able to run the 6s down farther than 50% now that they are free of the inverter alarm

After a few days, both banks have come down fairly evenly, with morning voltages now at 12.1 (12s) and 12.2 (6s)

Final use of the 12s prior to recharge was to run the kettle. 12.1v start. Kettle draws 90a. Voltage drop 0.6v to 11.5v, ended at 11.3/4 when kettle done.

Suggests the 12s could go lower in SOC than 50% and still run the inverter, but after their golf car days, I think they should be kept no lower than 50% (12.1v by Trojan spec) in regular use.

The 6s can go another day or two before needing a recharge. They are "allowed" to go down to 30% but they do have the small inverter on them. However, it turns out that the voltage drop from using that with the furnace also on--say under 25a total with a light on-- is only 0.2v (which I had not thought of before, still worrying about the 1.0v drop the four 6s get with the big inverter running the MW) so that means the 6s could go to 11.3v and still be over inverter alarm at 11v.

Of course, letting them go down to 11.3v before a recharge is not the idea. 11.82 is 30% on the Trojan spec for 6s. So it is not necessary to put the small inverter over to the 12s to keep the 6s free of inverter alarm tyranny.

One objective is to be able to still do a two-hour recharge within provincial park gen time rules. I don't have enough generator to run enough chargers to get enough amps to do six batts in two hours from say 40-80 or 50-90. But I can do just the pair of 12s or the four 6s in that time. The split bank with different days for recharging leaves that all possible.

Anyway so far so good. I am liking this set up and procedure very much.

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  • ktmrfs's avatar
    ktmrfs
    Explorer III
    BFL:

    Have you looked at the PF of the vector plugged into the kill a watt meter? but I'm guessing that your 0.8 estimate is pretty close. No reason that Vector would PF correct.
  • ktmrfs's avatar
    ktmrfs
    Explorer III
    BFL13 wrote:
    On the above, IMO, the priority would be a 2000w inverter so the MW can be run at full blast. :)



    well, yes that would have been ideal, but initally I had only 2 GC so a 1000W PSW inverter worked fine for the other stuff, fit fine, priced right etc. Ran the TV, air bed pump, travel hair dryer, curling iron etc.

    Using the microwave we fired up the generator, but yes that gets old.

    But when the panasonic inverter microwaves came out, our son bought one and I hooked it up to the kill a watt to see if the claim was correct, they varied magentron power. Yup, so i plotted VA vs. load. 50% power is about 850VA. And, yes microwave PF is just about as bad as most converters, no suprise.
    Hum.... ordered the small one to replace our existing microwave and suprised DW at a rest stop when she said "I sure WISH I could use the microwave, I want soup for lunch". Suprise!!!! you CAN.

    even at 50% power things heat up rather quickly, not near twice as long as you might expect.

    AND when running on the generator, the generator no longer has hissy fits and doesn't "chase its tail" if the microwave isn't on 100% power. Cycling between 0% and 100% with a generator on "eco" mode makes it sound the the generator is on it's last legs!

    But yes, if I was starting from scratch again, I'd probably go for a 2KW PSW inverter.
  • I have a "Xantrex Freedom SW3012 12V 3000W Inverter/Charger". It hits 152-154 amps running on my Honda EU3000iS without issue.
  • On the above, IMO, the priority would be a 2000w inverter so the MW can be run at full blast. :)

    Once you go in for a split bank you can have any combo you like, such as AGMs and Wets, 12s and 6s of either, anything you like!

    ------

    As an aside, I have been trying to run the Honda 3000 to max amps to recharge all 6 batts to see how much I could get done in two hours (I can go longer where we are camping now, but this is for a test at two hours)

    Before, with all Vector portables, the Honda maxed at 130a. One more amp would pop the breaker it seemed like.

    Today, I have the PowerMax (PF corrected) 100a on the four 6s and tried how many Vector amps I could run on the 12s. It did 50a and one more amp (seemed like) popped the Honda. I also have the rig on the Honda but with nothing much on. I turned on the laptop with that 150a on there and the Honda popped.

    So that means I think that the Vectors have a power factor of 0.8

    This might be all wrong, but where, of that 130 all Vector, now there is 50, so 80 more Vector is the same as 100 more PF corrected PM, so to me that means 100=80. ???? That would compare with the reported 0.7 PF of a typical converter.

    I figured after the amps had tapered on the 100amper, I could add more Vector, but not amp for amp due to the PF on the Vectors. (a 40 and a 35)

    I was able to do this:

    Start: 100 PM, 40a VEC, 10a Vec
    Then: 85a PM, 40a VEC, 20a Vec
    Then: 65a PM, 40a Vec, 35a Vec

    By the time I got to there, the Vecs on the 12s were almost to their programmed trip point at 14v (battery) to taper their amps and the 35 started to taper. So that was the best I could do with that collection.

    BTW at the two hours, the four 6s are at 14.9v accepting 30a and the 12s are at 14.6v, accepting 35a. So both banks are somewhere just over 80% SOC not sure where.

    I need to juggle things better to get the 12s done more and the 6s less, but that is for another day :)
  • ktmrfs's avatar
    ktmrfs
    Explorer III
    BFL13 wrote:
    I have posted in various places lately about my attempt to find a good way to run the mixed bank of 6s and 12s. As a sort of update, here is what I have found out so far.

    (Two beat up T-1275s are in their own bank (approx. 265AH or so) running the 2000w inverter, which runs the MW, kettle, and toaster. Four 6s (458AH) run the rig including the smaller inverter to run the TV, laptop etc.)

    I think this would also all apply generally to a bank of two 6s and a separate 12 as an alternative to banking them as a three.

    The idea is to give up some Peukert in exchange for:

    - keeping the 12s away from the 6s in case of bad interactions
    -not having to find a way to balance three pairs of batts in parallel, which takes too much wiring
    -being able to run the 6s down farther than 50% now that they are free of the inverter alarm

    After a few days, both banks have come down fairly evenly, with morning voltages now at 12.1 (12s) and 12.2 (6s)

    Final use of the 12s prior to recharge was to run the kettle. 12.1v start. Kettle draws 90a. Voltage drop 0.6v to 11.5v, ended at 11.3/4 when kettle done.

    Suggests the 12s could go lower in SOC than 50% and still run the inverter, but after their golf car days, I think they should be kept no lower than 50% (12.1v by Trojan spec) in regular use.

    The 6s can go another day or two before needing a recharge. They are "allowed" to go down to 30% but they do have the small inverter on them. However, it turns out that the voltage drop from using that with the furnace also on--say under 25a total with a light on-- is only 0.2v (which I had not thought of before, still worrying about the 1.0v drop the four 6s get with the big inverter running the MW) so that means the 6s could go to 11.3v and still be over inverter alarm at 11v.

    Of course, letting them go down to 11.3v before a recharge is not the idea. 11.82 is 30% on the Trojan spec for 6s. So it is not necessary to put the small inverter over to the 12s to keep the 6s free of inverter alarm tyranny.

    One objective is to be able to still do a two-hour recharge within provincial park gen time rules. I don't have enough generator to run enough chargers to get enough amps to do six batts in two hours from say 40-80 or 50-90. But I can do just the pair of 12s or the four 6s in that time. The split bank with different days for recharging leaves that all possible.

    Anyway so far so good. I am liking this set up and procedure very much.


    very good info and real life data. I'm in a similar situation in that I have 4GC T-125's. With my panasonic inverter microwave, I can set the power level to stay below the 1000VA PSW inverter I have and still run it off the inverter and GC batteries. (Set microwave PL to 5) Initially with only 2GC, anything below about 75% SOC would kick out the inverter. with 4GC, 50% SOC is about the limit. And DW and I occasionally use the travel hair dryer (750W) as well.

    However, when I went to 4GC, never gave thought to keeping 2 GC and a pair or single 12V for big inverter load. If I still have the trailer when the 4 Trojan T-125's die (not likely, my last set went to SIL after 8 years are STILL ticking), I'll reconsider my battery bank.!!
  • If I had all six in one bank I could get more AHs than when split because any draw would be a smaller proportion of the total capacity--Peukert.
  • You lost me at "The idea is to give up some Peukert in exchange for".
    Peukerts law allows you to determine a discharge rate. I have never heard of anyone giving up Peukert. Can you better define what you mean?

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