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2112
Explorer II
Jun 15, 2021

Looking for a ground wire

I'm installing an external LED light strip under my awning. Man, these things are BRIGHT. I'm trying to install a dimmer controller but can't find a ground. The controller requires both 12V and ground input. The below image is what I'm dealing with.



Is there a ground wire accessible from here and I'm just not finding it?

The AC thermostat has ground going to it. The 16' light strip pulls 2A. Would it be unwise of me to tap off of that ground? Would I be creating noise issues by the PWM controller affecting the thermostat if I did? The controller PWM frequency is 2kHz.

Thanks
Dave

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  • 2112's avatar
    2112
    Explorer II
    DrewE wrote:
    Is it a high side dimmer or a low side dimmer?
    It's a low side dimmer I made with an ATtiny25.

    Thanks
  • mr_andyj wrote:
    Ground is ground. 2 amps is not a concern, but higher amperage might burn out the little tiny thermostat wire, not a concern here. Ground is ground, so if ground is issue with your pwm then any ground will be an issue. The steel camper frame is ground also, the entire frame of the camper is ground, all the ground wires are ground, they are all connected to the frame and to the negative post on the battery, ground is common to everything.
    The only concern, as stated, is how much amperage will be flowing through your chosen ground wire.
    I dont think there would be concern with your thermo wire, but try it, if it works then it works, job done.


    Ground WIRE is not always "ground".

    That would be a blatant disregard of proper electrical wiring and a violation on NEC rules.

    120V ground wires must terminate in the 120V breaker box on the ground buss. Yes, the ground buss must be bonded to to trailer frame but the 120V wiring has the potential for 120V currents which can cause voltage potentials on any of the ground wires that can cause issues like GFCIs false tripping or even higher voltage potential than 12V on your 12V system..

    120V systems ground WIRE and 12V systems ground WIRE should never be exchanged or substituted or mixed.

    I would also not recommend using the furnace T stat wires for 12V ground as the "ground" you find there goes through the furnace control board and will no longer be at ground potential when the T stat calls for heat.

    Since there is no real 12V ground available OP will need to get creative on pulling an extra wire for the ground. If the location is close to wall trim you might be able to remove the trim carefully and carve out or drill a hole to thread the wire through the wall stud. Check at floor level to see if you can fish a wire from the floor up. Often you can drill holes just large enough to thread the wire but not too big to cause major damage that can't be hidden with some trim.
  • 2112's avatar
    2112
    Explorer II
    I guess I hit the panic button and ran here too soon. I found ground, the black wire to the right connected to my awning motor control switch.



    I can tap into that big black wire but that will be a more invasive effort than connecting to the thermostat. I'm going to try the thermostat ground 1st and see how that goes.

    A little back story: My FW has a failed LED strip integrated into the awning tube. I'm replacing that with a strip that mounts onto the camper side under the awning. The power switch and wiring to the outside location already exists. I can use the ground wire on the outside for the LED side of the controller. I just needed to find a ground for the 12V input side of the controller.

    Thanks
  • Is it a high side dimmer or a low side dimmer? In other words, do the instructions for the dimmer have the common connection between the LEDs and the dimmer on the ground side (which would mean it's a high side dimmer, as it is controlling the higher voltage lead) or the +12V side (a low side dimmer)?

    If you have a low side dimmer, connecting the dimmer's +12V supply to the thermostat would probably not cause any problems because only minimal power is consumed there, and hence minimal noise produced; the 12V supply is only for the circuitry in the dimmer itself, not for the LEDs. However, in that case, you must have access to the ground lead from the LEDs for the dimmer to be able to control them; it won't work to switch/dim the positive line to them.

    If it's a high side dimmer, I would avoid connecting it to the thermostat's 12V power, both from a noise point of view and from a current consumption point of view. From your description, it sounds like it might be a high side dimmer.

    In either case, though, it really sounds like you'll probably need to pull a wire from somewhere (else).
  • Ground is ground. 2 amps is not a concern, but higher amperage might burn out the little tiny thermostat wire, not a concern here. Ground is ground, so if ground is issue with your pwm then any ground will be an issue. The steel camper frame is ground also, the entire frame of the camper is ground, all the ground wires are ground, they are all connected to the frame and to the negative post on the battery, ground is common to everything.
    The only concern, as stated, is how much amperage will be flowing through your chosen ground wire.
    I dont think there would be concern with your thermo wire, but try it, if it works then it works, job done.
  • Cannot see in poto, How many wires are coming out of the box you have open?
    Have you checked the switches below open box?
    I would stay away from the thermostat wiring.

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