I have sinned again! :( I made a toasted cheese sandwich in the most awful way using my "oversized inverter" and wasted tons of energy. I even measured how bad it was as a lesson to others who might be so tempted----be strong out there--stronger than I ! :(Before starting:( mid-day, sun out, blue sky, solar on)14.4v, 7.1a charging, -1.24 AH on the clock.Started toaster from 2000w MSW inverter:13.1v down to 12.4v, -40.9a,---- toaster pops:13.1v, 18.3a charging, -3.12AH on the clock.(back to -2.59 before MW)Butter toast, insert cheese, stick in MW for 30 seconds:12.5v, -88.0a, -2.99 AH after 30secs.Cost to Planet Earth: 2.99-1.24 = 1.75 AH. (the shame is hard to bear)Ate sandwich anyway. Looked at Trimetric while wiping crumbs off face ( I am a tidy sort of sinner)14.3v, 5.7a charging, -0.23AH. on the clock.Hey that's more than before I made the sandwich. Almot will strike me down anyway...I was so bad. Sob! :) Just before posting this soon after:13.7v (controller float) , 3.6a charging, 0.51 AH (it is going "over" today, so will reset AH later on)

Just got my electric bill: $6.15 (87 kWh)twenty one cents per dayBut it isn't the product of clean energy. Fossil fuel. Steam turbines.

Canadians actually use toasters to make toasted cheese sandwiches? :P

BFL13 wrote:Started toaster from 2000w MSW inverter:13.1v down to 12.4v, -40.9a,---- toaster pops:Butter toast, insert cheese, stick in MW for 30 seconds:12.5v, -88.0a, -2.99 AH after 30secs40a and 88a @12v? Seems like pretty low power appliances.. compared to mine.

Don could use it for his diversion load while tuning pianos in the summer.Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Fix a cheap lunch and use some of the excess solar in the summer. :C

2oldman wrote:BFL13 wrote:Started toaster from 2000w MSW inverter:13.1v down to 12.4v, -40.9a,---- toaster pops:Butter toast, insert cheese, stick in MW for 30 seconds:12.5v, -88.0a, -2.99 AH after 30secs40a and 88a @12v? Seems like pretty low power appliances.. compared to mine.Solar was doing 18a as noted (you missed that it seems.) Trimetric shows net amps. MSW with MW draws fewer amps than would a PSW, so MW draw was 106a (would have been approx 155a on PSW using divide by 10.) The (10 yr old) Sharp MW works fine on MSW for four years now so that worked out ok in our case.

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BFL13
Explorer II
Jul 08, 2013
This was originally supposed to be about AH to make a simple sangie.

Unfortunately, I did not realize that a toasted cheese sangie counted as "ethnic food" for Americans, and had to be done a certain way. Sorry about that.

The photo above looks the same as mine though. Perhaps it was "Photo shopped."

Almot thinks MW dries things out. Obviously hasn't tried to bring a batch of Kentucky Fried Chicken and Chips back to life in a MW! Seriously lame results. :(

However, no problem with the toast. "Try it, you'll like it!" and, "You are what you eat."
westend
Explorer
Jul 08, 2013
I think the sandwich testing method needs some refinement.
We don't know what type of bread or cheese were used, whether the cheese was allowed to melt out of the bead's interior and flow down onto the outside crust, or what ambient temperatures were at time of construction.
Also, crumb wiping time needs to be defined, was it a quick brush with a napkin or was the consumer primping for excessive minutes across the face.
I'm thinking this is where MPPT could have saved the day for green sangie process.

Anyway, thanks for posting, lets us newbs know that short MW use is possible.
Almot
Explorer III
Jul 08, 2013
BFL13 wrote:
This was originally supposed to be about AH to make a simple sangie.

30 seconds is nothing. Reheating a medium-sized portion from 40F to hot, with a cup of milk to lukewarm temp will take 300 seconds. Repeat this 6 times - 2 people 3 times a day - then you will see. And this isn't any "cooking" yet.

BFL13 wrote:
Almot thinks MW dries things out. Obviously hasn't tried to bring a batch of Kentucky Fried Chicken and Chips back to life in a MW! Seriously lame results. :(

Blew up? It does this to meat sometimes. Too much energy absorbed in too short time, and at different rates in different areas of the chunk. Reheating should be done slowly, not in MW.
HiTech
Explorer
Jul 08, 2013
westend wrote:
I think the sandwich testing method needs some refinement.
We don't know what type of bread or cheese were used, whether the cheese was allowed to melt out of the bead's interior and flow down onto the outside crust, or what ambient temperatures were at time of construction.
Also, crumb wiping time needs to be defined, was it a quick brush with a napkin or was the consumer primping for excessive minutes across the face.
I'm thinking this is where MPPT could have saved the day for green sangie process.

Anyway, thanks for posting, lets us newbs know that short MW use is possible.

x2 :)
mena661
Explorer
Jul 08, 2013
westend wrote:
I think the sandwich testing method needs some refinement.
We don't know what type of bread or cheese were used, whether the cheese was allowed to melt out of the bead's interior and flow down onto the outside crust, or what ambient temperatures were at time of construction.
Also, crumb wiping time needs to be defined, was it a quick brush with a napkin or was the consumer primping for excessive minutes across the face.
I'm thinking this is where MPPT could have saved the day for green sangie process.

Anyway, thanks for posting, lets us newbs know that short MW use is possible.
LOL!

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